Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-16 Thread glen
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 09/13/2013 08:14 PM: What kind group would contain an instance of such a cabal? Perhaps a decent example might be ALEC http://www.alec.org/ or, perhaps, funders of the Cato Institute or Heritage Foundation. The point is that they may well lobby/advocate for

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-16 Thread glen
mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote at 09/16/2013 02:53 PM: Such a Beast will be slow moving. All those people need to be motivated to clarify and then solve some problem posed to them. I'm not so sure. I admit that the current trend toward flat corporate hierarchies works toward the requirement to

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-16 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Glen wrote: But the old style, autocratic, specialize everything, command and control structure doesn't need such motivation. Well, I mean some mental models have to develop at the various levels of the organization. I used the term `motivation' to mean the process of understanding enough of a

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-16 Thread glen e. p. ropella
mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote at 09/16/2013 03:45 PM: Well, I mean some mental models have to develop at the various levels of the organization. I used the term `motivation' to mean the process of understanding enough of a sub-problem to propose a solution. If the problem is hard, the it may have

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-16 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Any asymmetrically weaker entity would, in principle, be able to dig into any aspect of the system. But such an entity would be incapable of grokking the whole system, at least as well as the army of lawyers, accountants, auditors, programmers, etc. who worked on behalf of the cabal. Such a

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/12/13 6:23 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: Or do you also need [..] doping [..] Saw this on /. this morning. http://people.umass.edu/gbecker/BeckerChes13.pdf Yikes.. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/13/13 2:57 PM, glen wrote: If we know this is/will-be the case, then why press for absolute transparency at all? Why not be anarcho-capitalist and allow for the opacity of some, strategically allowed, opacity? The anarcho-capitalist will try to extract every bit of value from any

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-13 Thread glen
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 09/13/2013 02:59 PM: If people know how their hardware works, then some competitor can come along and create similar hardware at a lower price point. Provided an open source effort can come along and make a sort of similar VHDL design that puts them out of

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/13/13 6:40 PM, glen wrote: Membership in the cabal comes from cognitive investment, not capital. I disagree. Membership in the set of cabal _tools_ ... the technically competent person, comes from cognitive investment. Ownership/control of those tools comes from capital, usually in the

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/13/13 6:40 PM, glen wrote: So, it would work fairly well without a requirement for absolute transparency. If the goal is to develop versatile technical language, and someone effectively owns a bunch of the useful words (interfaces , ...) that is an impediment to giving everyone a fair

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Glen wrote: It has always struck me that diversity and co-evolution constitute a superset of obscurity. I posit that co-evolution moves faster in today's open source world, because: 1) More independent thinkers. Drones tend not to care, and not caring leads to not thinking. Passive aggressive

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 09/11/2013 07:55 PM: If there are bad statistics, that would suggest to me some benefit from security from obscurity? That reminds me. Did anyone see Stephanie's presentation? It has always struck me that diversity and co-evolution constitute a superset of

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread glen e. p. ropella
mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote at 09/12/2013 09:30 AM: I posit that co-evolution moves faster in today's open source world, because: At first, I agreed vehemently. Then I started thinking (always a mistake). It depends on what you mean by faster. It's possible that the species diversity might

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
2) Improved access to information -- the source code, and a community around it. This allows motivated individuals to educate themselves rapidly about things, and to be empowered to use this information. It also allows us to lavish kudos on the fame-tolerant we find there. E.g. Musk,

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread glen e. p. ropella
mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote at 09/12/2013 02:32 PM: I think it is better to not deprive the drone prone of important existential angst. Make them sit around these people for a few days until they lose their religion. That won't happen if they just watch them on TED, or in carefully produced

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/12/13 6:23 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: But where do you stop, in your ideal? Do you stop at the source code? Or do you also need a transparent compiler? Linker? Run-time? System? Component, vhdl, ceramics, doping, drawing methods? One way to avoid going down and down is to build a

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-11 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 9/6/13 5:29 PM, Parks, Raymond wrote: I did a quick search through my data and there haven't been any major Skype vulns in a while. There's a local privilege escalation from this last spring and URL snooping, but neither should result in massive Skype usage. The Dark Comet Remote Access

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-06 Thread Parks, Raymond
I did a quick search through my data and there haven't been any major Skype vulns in a while. There's a local privilege escalation from this last spring and URL snooping, but neither should result in massive Skype usage. The Dark Comet Remote Access Tool (RAT) uses the Skype port and protocol

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-06 Thread Nick Thompson
] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability? I did a quick search through my data and there haven't been any major Skype vulns in a while. There's a local privilege escalation from this last spring and URL snooping, but neither should result in massive Skype usage. The Dark Comet Remote Access

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-06 Thread Brent Auble
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' friam@redfish.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability? Thanks, Raymond,   There is nobody else within an eight of a mile and the wifi barely reaches across the house

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability?

2013-09-06 Thread Steve Smith
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Parks, Raymond *Sent:* Friday, September 06, 2013 7:30 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Urgent: skype vulnerability? I did a quick search through my data and there haven't been any major Skype