Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Gillian Densmore
:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Gillian > Densmore > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:06 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] AI advance > > > > Hmmm why do I

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance Hmmm why do I worry about 'clankers' deciding humans are jerks and suddenly we're living inside a game while the robots laugh and play agame of Unu? I think I saw that move. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Gillian Densmore
ts of human criminals and script-kiddies. > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. > Cordingley > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:24 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> >

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
[FRIAM] AI advance So once AI machines are allowed to start designing themselves with at least the goal for increasing performance, how long have we got? (It doesn't matter whether we (ie the US) allow that or some other resourceful, perhaps military, organization does it.) Didn't Hawking fear runa

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
So once AI machines are allowed to start designing themselves with at least the goal for increasing performance, how long have we got? (It doesn't matter whether we (ie the US) allow that or some other resourceful, perhaps military, organization does it.) Didn't Hawking fear runaway AI as a

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Pamela McCorduck
To consider the issue perhaps more seriously, AI100 was created two years ago at Stanford University, funded by Eric Horowitz and his wife. Eric is an early AI pioneer at Microsoft. It’s a hundred-year, rolling study of the many impacts of AI, and it plans to issue reports every five years

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Joe Spinden
In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." -JS On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Steve writes: "Maybe... but

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > > > > >> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how > quickly these advances are progressing that give some great

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: > I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. Pamela writes: > Me too, especially how lonely the humans were when their AI pals deserted > them because frankly, they were too boring. Well, I was rooting for

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Pamela McCorduck
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > >> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly >> these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." >> >> I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised.Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Steven A Smith
" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-31 Thread Steven A Smith
Vlad - Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder why Hawking is so afraid of this machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. At some point we will smell insulation burning. Are you sure that isn't the smell of myelin sheath

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-30 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: January-30-17 9:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance Vlad - I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem of trying to use

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-30 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
A Smith Sent: January-30-17 9:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI advance Vlad - I am the weakest of GO players, in spite of having considered the problem of trying to use Gosper's memoisation as a mode of associative memory problem solving. Cody

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-30 Thread Joe Spinden
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top- player-at-the-game-of-go -JS FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-30 Thread Steven A Smith
speak up. vib -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-30 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Spinden Sent: January-28-17 8:32 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] AI advance Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top- player-at-the-game-of-go -JS

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
Fascinating! I remember the broad discussions at the Cellular Automata Conference here in 1984 on the challenges/opportunities of using a CA to play GO. I had an (unpublished of course) variation on Bill Gosper's HashLife which I hoped might be a

[FRIAM] AI advance

2017-01-28 Thread Joseph Spinden
Of interest to some: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/in-a-huge-breakthrough-googles-ai-beats-a-top-player-at-the-game-of-go -JS FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to