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2020-01-04 Thread Merle Lefkoff
of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:48 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Appli

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2020-01-02 Thread Gary Schiltz
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2020-01-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
; >> >> I think he is going to say that the migration IS the treatment. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> th

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2020-01-02 Thread thompnickson2
cks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cl

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2020-01-02 Thread David Eric Smith
erhaps "existing political boundaries" are no longer a viable or > rational concept? > > > > > Side effects is a good way to look at it. No drug that works doesn't have > side effects. Just have to ride them out and let the treatment do its > thing.

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2020-01-02 Thread Merle Lefkoff
hompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:46 AM > *To:* Tom Johnson ; The Friday Morning Applied > Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions > > > > Dave writes:

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2020-01-02 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I really appreciate lists like this. I'd add a few of my own: only fly on business and only when necessary, work remotely as much as possible, consolidate online orders to reduce the number of deliveries, tap water, etc. I fail often, though, e.g. taking 2 extra bodies with me on my last

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2020-01-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:48 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions And what treatment do you suggest, Marcus? On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:46 AM

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2020-01-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:46 AM > *To:* Tom Johnson ; The Friday Morning Applied > Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change

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2020-01-02 Thread thompnickson2
n/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:46 AM To: Tom Johnson ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions Dave writes: < Even more scary are all the side eff

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2020-01-02 Thread Merle Lefkoff
st have to ride them out and let the treatment do > its thing. > > Marcus > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Tom Johnson < > t...@jtjohnson.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:20 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

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2020-01-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
anuary 2, 2020 1:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions RE Dave West: So perhaps "existing political boundaries" are no longer a viable or rational concept? (But I have yet to find a potential alternative.) Tom Johns

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2020-01-02 Thread thompnickson2
2020 2:39 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions Merle wrote: " ... the deep dialogue on global warming that I experience (and sometimes facilitate) happening around the world everywhere but here in the U.S ..." Echo that -- I am now

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2020-01-02 Thread Prof David West
Merle wrote: *" ... the deep dialogue on global warming that I experience (and sometimes facilitate) happening around the world everywhere but here in the U.S ..."* Echo that -- I am now experiencing two kinds of deep personal shame at the moment. One because everybody but me knows and

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2020-01-02 Thread Tom Johnson
y, January 1, 2020 12:30 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions > > Nick, > > I am not overwhelmingly concerned with steady climate change per se; it is > the variability that is the real concern, as you point out. Even more scary > are a

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2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:30 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions Nick, I am not overwhelmingly concerned with steady climate change per se; it is the variability that is the real concern, as you point out. Even more scary are all the side effects

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2020-01-01 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Steven Smith and Stephen Guerin were two of the complex systems scientists our organization (The Center for Emergent Diplomacy) invited to join a conference we organized in Stockholm a few weeks ago--combining our guys with our Swedish network of scientists and policy wonks working seriously on

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread Curt McNamara
s...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:19 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions > > > > convi

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2020-01-01 Thread Marcus Daniels
Dave writes: < I don't see the point in supporting politicians like Ocasio-Cortez or even Warren and trying to convince people to give up their cars or quit eating meat in order to reduce the amount of carbon being put into the atmosphere, simply because I have zero belief that it will happen.

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2020-01-01 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:16 PM Douglass Carmichael wrote: > We are stuck at the point where, to stay under 1.5 or 2, it is clear that > we must cut fossil fuel extraction and use and there is no existing > politics todo it because it mans loss of jobs, failures of mortgages, > collapse of

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2020-01-01 Thread Carl Tollander
..@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:19 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions > > >

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2020-01-01 Thread Prof David West
sychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:19 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM]

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2020-01-01 Thread Michael Orshan
Hi: Mostly I monitor the group, but today since I'm very much involved in solving the warming issue, I'll offer my argument. First, let's avoid the estimates and look at what is happening. Most agree that storms, earthquakes, fires, and other natural disasters are increasing. Let's just focus

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread Curt McNamara
Per Prof West's comments -- In some cases you state degrees F and in others the scale is unspecified. It is good to keep the scale consistent. The IPCC uses degrees C. For a good overview of the IPCC (including brief summaries of models) see the wikipedia page. Since the IPCC is a large group

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread Marcus Daniels
l.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:59 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions Marcus, I haven’t known a Marxist for many years, but I think this corresponds to a dictum of Marxist thought: Stop Feeding the Dinosaur! That ma

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2020-01-01 Thread Steven A Smith
ary 1, 2020 12:37 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions >   > > Let’s say we are able to bring the price of solar generated > electricity below that of electricit

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:45 PM To: doug carmichael ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions It seems to me the solution is to do nothing. The world has to become rela

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2020-01-01 Thread Frank Wimberly
can heal. > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of doug carmichael < > d...@dougcarmichael.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:37 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] climate change ques

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2020-01-01 Thread Marcus Daniels
: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions Let’s say we are able to bring the price of solar generated electricity below that of electricity generated by fossil fuels. This leaves several important

Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:19 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions convict of what? premeditated Gaia murder? voluntary climate slaughter? involuntary clima

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2020-01-01 Thread doug carmichael
jury. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> Nicholas Thompson >>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >>> Clark University >>> thompnicks...@gmail.com >>> https://wordpress.clarku.ed

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2020-01-01 Thread Prof David West
> Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Wednesday, January 1,

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2020-01-01 Thread Prof David West
t; >> Nick >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Clark University >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *F

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2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
d Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions We are stuck at the point where, to stay under 1.5 or 2, it is clear that we must cut fossil fuel extraction and use and there is no existing politics todo it because it mans loss of jobs, failures of mortgages, colla

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2020-01-01 Thread Prof David West
logy and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 11:27 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexi

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2020-01-01 Thread Douglass Carmichael
nthompson/> > > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of Frank Wimberly > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 11:27 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate

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2020-01-01 Thread Frank Wimberly
as Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 202

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2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
il.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 11:27 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] climate change questions >Fr

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2020-01-01 Thread Frank Wimberly
o do it, >> and some way to keep our correspondence is order so that it's value could >> be >> harvested for the long run. >> >> Happy New Year! >> >> Nick >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> Cla

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2020-01-01 Thread Frank Wimberly
gt; Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West > Sent: Wednes

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2020-01-01 Thread thompnickson2
://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:45 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] climate change questions Questions, that do NOT, in any manner or form deny the reality of climate change

[FRIAM] climate change questions

2020-01-01 Thread Prof David West
Questions, that do NOT, in any manner or form deny the reality of climate change. In 1990, citing the "best scientific models available" stated that because of carbon dioxide emissions, the Earth would warm by an average of 3 degrees Fahrenheit and the U.S. as the largest producer, by an

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2018-01-02 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Pieter > Steenekamp > *Sent:* Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:39 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morni

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2018-01-02 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Although the sophist- ... icated tangent into groupthink and goodness of thought might be interesting, it's politically bankrupt, as is any sort of philosophical skepticism. The problem is what to *do*, if anything. I think Carl's post targets this most directly. It seems to me our policy

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2017-12-31 Thread Prof David West
raldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof > David West *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:36 PM *To:* > friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change> > In my most humble opinion: > > 1) it evolves in r

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2017-12-31 Thread Nick Thompson
ber 31, 2017 12:39 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Nick, Referring to your What are the properties of good GroupThought: i.e., Group Thought that is likely to survive experience into the deep future?

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2017-12-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
m: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:39:29 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Nick, Referring to your What are the properties of

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2017-12-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
y, December 30, 2017 8:35 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change In my most humble opinion: 1) it evolves in real-time, not only when new data is received but when new perspectives are offered. No more of this waiting for the old generation to die before we can change our minds cr

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2017-12-31 Thread Prof David West
fish.com] *On Behalf Of *Prof > David West *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:36 PM *To:* > friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change> > In my most humble opinion: > > 1) it evolves in real-time, not only when new data is received but >when new per

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2017-12-30 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Pieter > Steenekamp > *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 1:32 PM

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2017-12-30 Thread Nick Thompson
ttp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 8:36 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change In m

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2017-12-30 Thread Prof David West
, 2017 1:32 PM *To:* The > Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change> > Nick, > > *_What are the properties of GroupThought that is likely to survive > experience into the deep future?_*> &g

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2017-12-30 Thread Nick Thompson
7 1:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Nick, What are the properties of GroupThought that is likely to survive experience into the deep future? Philip Tetlock has done excellent work answe

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
m-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:20:15 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Pieter, Some months back, at the Friday Meeting of the FRIAM Mother Churc

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2017-12-30 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
essor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Pieter > Steenekamp > *Sent:* Saturday, December 30, 2017 5:27 AM > *To:* The Fri

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2017-12-30 Thread Nick Thompson
lexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Glen, I'd like to comment on your comment a few posts earlier: "*That* is why I think focusing on the workflows (modeling) is important. Those of us who distrust the experts bear the burden of proof

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2017-12-30 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
>> those periods wet or were they warm? Were they uniform across the global >>> or localized to certain regions? >>> >>> >>> Marcus >>> -- >>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Th

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2017-12-30 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
rm? Were they uniform across the global or >> localized to certain regions? >> >> >> Marcus >> -- >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson < >> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> >> *Sent:

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Carl Tollander
of Nick Thompson < > nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 8:27:21 PM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change > > I dunno, I thought Pietr's point was kind of interesting. IF (and I don't >

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
egions? Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 8:27:21 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change I dunno, I th

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Steve, I had hoped for awhile that climate change studies would yield the possibility of a truly transdisciplinary breakthrough in complex systems modeling, rather than the interdisciplinary effort you recall that provided "useful checks and balances" on academic honestly. I take it from the

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2017-12-29 Thread Nick Thompson
Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:40 PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Well

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2017-12-29 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Well, I mean "models" writ large. Even when gathering and reducing observational data, there's a workflow for doing that. That workflow relies on a model of a sort. And integrating different data sets so that they're commensurate also requires models. E.g. correlating tree ring based with

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Steven A Smith
Pieter - I think Eric responded extremely well to the actual gist of the (bent) thread on Climate Change as it was elaborating.   The (thread's subject) question of whether there is significant anthropogenic climate changes underway, the extent of them, how bad the consequences are likely to be

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Jochen Fromm
Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change "My problem is that I fear that we have passed the point of no possible remedy.  There was a meme which was a graph of global mean temperature for the last several centuries.  There was a sharp transient to the hi

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2017-12-29 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
No. I was truly asking. Sorry if I came off like I know something you don't. I did try to keep up with the open sourced climate models I knew about, but never managed to do it. This might be a good resource: https://climate.apache.org/ On 12/29/2017 11:45 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: >

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2017-12-29 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Maybe I do not appreciate fully how the models have evolved since 1990. I have studied the reports and even for me it's it'd very complicated. Do you mind giving me a simple explanation of what you are referring to? On 29 December 2017 at 21:28, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > I agree

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2017-12-29 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I agree that admitting one's mistakes and specifying (honest) uncertainty lends credibility. But, as Eric says in his recent post, expressions of uncertainty can be abused, as well. In this regard, scientists face a very difficult dilemma. It's interesting to consider a topic just as

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Eric Smith
Sorry; it would have helped if I had spelled your name correctly the first time. Hurry is not of God, Eric > On Dec 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > By all means. I do not intend either aggression or even disrespect toward > anybody who will

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2017-12-29 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Peter, By all means. I do not intend either aggression or even disrespect toward anybody who will argue any position honestly and in good faith. The thing that I was attacking below, and which I think needs to be regarded as an existential threat, is what I interpret as coordinated acting

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2017-12-29 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Thank you, I do appreciate. Let me start with my background. I have done modeling for predictions in engineering applications as a major part of my professional career of 40 years. I am now doing deep learning for making predictions. (Not necessarily relevant to this discussion, but I do combine

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2017-12-29 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yes, I think so. The trick, I think, is to demonstrate respect for those with whom we disagree. If someone posts, without rancor, an argument (preferably with data) arguing that the models are wrong in a crucial way, I know *I* would be interested. I've posted tons of contrarian and

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Is it possible to have, in this group, a civil discussion where the accepted view of the IPCC that unless we reduce CO2 emissions we are heading for disaster is challenged? On 29 December 2017 at 20:25, Eric Smith wrote: > I agree with both Glen and Jillian, > > this is

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2017-12-29 Thread Eric Smith
I agree with both Glen and Jillian, this is more on the right tack. It’s not about stupidity. It’s about a kind of character degeneracy further down, and a certain kind of vileness that becomes possible at that level. I would add one thing to Jill’s and Glen’s emphasis (attention trolling),

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2017-12-29 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
Sorry. A draft has gone. On Friday, December 29, 2017, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote: > A couple of years ago was published that about simulations predicting permanent freezing un Europeos and North America because of global warming. > > On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen

[FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
A couple of years ago was published that about simulations predicting permanent freezing un Europeos and North America because of global warming. On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen Fromm wrote: > This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight: > "In the East, it could be the

[FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
A couple of years ago It was published about simulations predicting permanent freezing in Europe and North America because of global warming. So, maybe Trump is right.You are welcome here but we are already too much people un the third world. On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen Fromm

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2017-12-29 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
You called it, Gillian. Trump and his ilk (Milo, Spencer, etc.) thrive on their ability to invoke. Beliefs and knowledge take a back seat, which is why they are so capable of munging the facts and changing their tune when confronted. So I have to disagree fundamentally with Nick, Merle, Tom,

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
s. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:50:30 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change I think, too, it is a fundamen

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2017-12-29 Thread Jochen Fromm
al.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias -J. Original message From: Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> Date: 12/29/17 16:13 (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Th

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2017-12-29 Thread Gillian Densmore
He is one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll The games I enjoy have a zero tollerance pollicy for trolls. The giant jerk kind that just want attention. Generally the community ignores them. Then a Game Assistant bans them. Then that company shows other companies about the

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2017-12-29 Thread Tom Johnson
>> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Joch

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Merle Lefkoff
rk University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen > Fromm > *Sent:* Friday, December 29, 2017 1:23 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@red

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Nick Thompson
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: [FRIAM] Climate Change This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight: "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Yes, he’s really that stupid. And is manipulated by people who know better, but whose short-term interests are best served by pretending global climate change is a fiction. > On Dec 29, 2017, at 12:23 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > This is what Donald wrote on Twitter

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Frank Wimberly
Yes. I suspect that climate change, including global warming, would require that locally, in some locations, colder than normal conditions would occur. Frank Frank Wimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Dec 29, 2017 1:23 AM, "Jochen Fromm"

[FRIAM] Climate Change

2017-12-29 Thread Jochen Fromm
This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight:"In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle

[FRIAM] Climate Change Report

2014-09-14 Thread Nick Thompson
Dear All, Sometime this spring, I thought, we discussed a recent consensus document on Climate Change issued by some scientific panel. I assume I learned about it in email, but I have gone through all my emails and not found it. Can anybody remember what that report was and who issued it?

[FRIAM] climate change article

2007-08-28 Thread Julie Rehmeyer
Given the recent discussion of climate change and the connection with complexity, I thought you all might enjoy this article I recently wrote: http://blog.sciencenews.org/mathtrek/2007/08/ cloudy_crystal_balls.html. More generally, I'd like to plug MathTrek, my weekly math column for

[FRIAM] climate change science

2007-08-13 Thread PPARYSKI
FYI Paul Science 10 August 2007: Vol. 317. no. 5839, pp. 746 - 747 DOI: 10.1126/science.317.5839.746 News Focus CLIMATE CHANGE: Humans and Nature Duel Over the Next Decade's Climate Richard A. Kerr Rising greenhouse gases are changing global climate, but during the next few

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change Adaptive Strategies

2007-06-05 Thread PPARYSKI
Some of you may be interested in the specific interventions suggested by the United Nations Development Programme (my former employer) to adapt to climate change: ABMs might be useful for some of these strategies. _http://www.undp.org/gef/adaptation/climate_change/02d.htm_