Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Smith
On 6/5/23 12:24 PM, glen wrote: I try to be careful about my allusions to "openness". I attribute (perhaps wrongly) the openness of science to Critical Rationalism (Popper, but better described by David Miller). Good (and bad) ideas can come from *anywhere*. The "problem with having an open

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread glen
I try to be careful about my allusions to "openness". I attribute (perhaps wrongly) the openness of science to Critical Rationalism (Popper, but better described by David Miller). Good (and bad) ideas can come from *anywhere*. Even those miracle people like FGJ Perey can come up with bad

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
One might guess that we have independent minds because of the risk of a shared mind going mad. Oh wait, people are going mad anyway. From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 11:14 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism What expertise I have

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Smith
l is like a system update? *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2023 8:13 AM *To:* friam@redfish.com *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism Marcus - Even though I play the Luddite most of the time, I am in fact fascinated with the possibilities of post/trans

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Smith
If/when/as AI (such a broad term, no?) can be used in the mode you describe here somewhat transparently I would likely be open to an "augmented intuition" mode of use and as a point of gratuitous contention, how *does* one tell the difference between "stupid nonsense" and "an abductive

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism Marcus - Even though I play the Luddite most of the time, I am in fact fascinated with the possibilities of post/transhumanism, at least in the sense that it feels "inevitable". With the implied magnitude of qualitative change in Ho

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread glen
But this misses the point, I think. And, in fact, I think it's a mistake to focus too much on (natural) language models at all, even for things that *seem* to be all about language, like philosophy. I'm most interested in the concept of an embedding .

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Steve Smith
PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism The conclusion I draw is that these conversations have all occurred before.  So I wonder, why have them? *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 10:44 A

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread Prof David West
What James is talking about / alluding to: A - Hallucinogens (which he did experience) where the "preconceived notions of theories" are disrupted, and one gropes to make sense of what is apprehended. But, this is only a partial example as multiple perceptual filters, "oh wow the colors, the

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-05 Thread David Eric Smith
Very good Frank. Smacked for making generalizations. As it should be. Eric > On Jun 5, 2023, at 10:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > As one of the few, if not the only, person who has been a full time employee > of a philosophy department for multiple years, I am quick to defend my former

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
iday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism Discussions with large language models are new. But you are right, we had discussions of similar topics before. Maybe I was hoping I could inspire Nick and/or Eric to write a summary of their ideas and what we h

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
As one of the few, if not the only, person who has been a full time employee of a philosophy department for multiple years, I am quick to defend my former colleagues. Read "Actual Causation and Thought Experiments" by Glymour and Wimberly in J. K. Campbell, M. O'Rourke & H. S. Silverstein (eds.),

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread David Eric Smith
So there’s a rather concrete way in which one can imagine ChatGPT’s being particularly useful as a time-saver. I have heard it said (and find it persuasive), that philosophy is different from physics because what philosophers want to do and settle for being is different from that for

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Steve Smith
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism ChatGPT now allows sharing conversations. I've asked it about William James book "Essays in Radical Empiricism" https://chat.openai.com/share/375aef4e-a8d6-467e-8061-bd85b3

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Jochen Fromm
: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism The conclusion I draw is that these conversations have all occurred before.  So I wonder, why have them?   From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 10:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Radical

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
The conclusion I draw is that these conversations have all occurred before. So I wonder, why have them? From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 10:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism ChatGPT now allows

[FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

2023-06-04 Thread Jochen Fromm
ChatGPT now allows sharing conversations. I've asked it about William James book "Essays in Radical Empiricism"https://chat.openai.com/share/375aef4e-a8d6-467e-8061-bd85b341c46b-J.-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays