Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread George Duncan
I agree with Orlando that there is no need for a conflict here. The Bayesian paradigm provides a unified framework for decision making that integrates a subjective interpretation of the past record and views of the future. Further it is a paradigm that in a principled way modifies current beliefs

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back Phil Henshaw wrote: All well and good, Â…unless something in the environment develops a continuity of divergence A model

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: That's only in you model, and leaves out the rest of the world. My hunch is it's good to watch the rest of the world for diverging continuities too... Nothing prevents a person from explicitly representing and revising beliefs about the world in a model, especially in

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Phil Henshaw
] models that bite back Phil Henshaw wrote: That's only in you model, and leaves out the rest of the world. My hunch is it's good to watch the rest of the world for diverging continuities too... Nothing prevents a person from explicitly representing and revising beliefs about the world

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw writes: A model invariably represents only a person's belief's about the world. Consider surveys of undecided voters where during a debate the surveyed turn their individual dials to indicate approval or disapproval. The physical subject being represented is both fabulously

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-09 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: And,... how does a poll, or a military analysis tell you what emotions are going through people's minds? Given a hunch or actual evidence that a class of emotions have relevance to an interesting mass behavior, a poll could be open-ended, where those polled would describe

Re: [FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-08 Thread Orlando Leibovitz
Tom, Some of us look to both the patterns of the past and a subjective belief about the uncertain future when making decisions. And sometimes the way we interpret past patterns is as subjective as our anticipation of the future. Why set up a non existent conflict? O Tom Johnson wrote:

[FRIAM] models that bite back

2009-01-04 Thread Tom Johnson
A sidebar conversation regarding the reality of models 'The story that I have to tell is marked all the way through by a persistent tension between those who assert that the best decisions are based on quantification and numbers, determined by the patterns of the past, and those who base their