Nick speaks for himself:
We are, by immigration, probably a nation of former thieves,
cutpurses, embezzlers, for whom the choice was the docks or the stocks.
You, sir, I believe, are from a sub-nation of former religious fanatics. I am
partly that,
but mostly from the (large!) sub-nation
Nick avers:
I guess I am a behaviorist about shame. If my behavior makes me blush than
it was shameful.
Alternatively, someone has slipped you a large dose of niacin, which has made
you blush, which
you have felt as shame.
I suggested this several times to Jim Laird as a worthwhile
A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by
Dropbox and their relative pricing.
Amazon charges $.095/GB/Month for its storage. That's $9.50/Mo or
$114.00/Year for 100GB.
http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
100GB is the first tier of paid Dropbox which goes for
I applaud your attempt to expand out to the forest layer! But I still
think you're being overly specific about our disagreement. My summary
about dissimilarity as the common cause for the communication illusion
and tool abuse failed to capture the core disagreement, I suppose.
So, I'll try
Aq looks great, esp. the retention of metadata (file dates). If only it
supported Windows.
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by
Dropbox and their relative pricing.
Amazon charges
I prefer embarrassed to shamed - perhaps there's a spectrum from proud to
embarrassed to shamed to guilty.
Perhaps white lies do not grease your part of the wheels of society - but I'm
reasonably sure, based on my experience, that they are in use in many societies
including ours. There's the
Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 01/16/2013 07:17 PM:
It should be public. But it is rude to press a person for personal
facts they don't volunteer. If someone uses a source, whether it is
convenient or inconvenient, public or something else, they they then
have no business making you feel
Parks, Raymond wrote at 01/17/2013 10:19 AM:
These are all proof that we lie frequently in order to grease the
wheels of society.
Isn't it something like a false distinction to call all this lying?
After all, we have von Neumann's extrapolation of Tarski's (or perhaps
Goedel's) work claiming
Yes, we lie frequently. Yes, it is lying - we are either stating a falsehood
or omitting the truth (the atheist example upthread). Human beings are social
animals - we constantly try to manipulate our social situation for our personal
optimum - it's built into us. Some of us are better at it
Parks, Raymond wrote at 01/17/2013 10:34 AM:
Yes, we lie frequently. Yes, it is lying - we are either stating a
falsehood or omitting the truth (the atheist example upthread).
Human beings are social animals - we constantly try to manipulate our
social situation for our personal optimum -
Even I can detect a willful argumentative bent here. Ray said, and I
quote: Yes, we lie frequently.
You said, OK. Well, if we're all always lying, [...]
Now now, you know better...
--Doug
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
Parks, Raymond wrote at 01/17/2013
On 1/17/13 11:19 AM, Parks, Raymond wrote:
There's the blatant pretense of privacy that Marcus mentioned exists
in Japan.
It was Bruce that made this point. This article elaborates..
http://biblioteca.clacso.edu.ar/ar/libros/raec/ethicomp5/docs/htm_papers/52Orito,%20Yohko.htm
Within the
No, I asserted that if we follow Ray's claim to its logical conclusion,
it means we are always lying. He responded Yes, but then went on to
ignore the flaw in his argument. So, I'm reinforcing my point that his
argument is flawed and he hasn't refuted it.
That's not argumentative. It's good
Clever. Objection overruled. (We watched the Lincoln Lawyer last night).
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
No, I asserted that if we follow Ray's claim to its logical conclusion,
it means we are always lying. He responded Yes, but then went on to
ignore the
Maybe Linux Today will pick up another one, that's worth about 2,000 hits.
http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/01/interesting-priorities.html
--
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drobe...@rti.org
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Sorry. I wasn't asking whether we lie or not. Or even whether it eases
some social situations. I was asking for a theory of why lying greases
social situations. Why is the NET effect of small lies positive? I can
think of some reasons. Like chimpanzees, we live in a fision-fusion
situation.
I love google drive for somestuff- It's great if you can use it from the
same computer or have one that does java quickly
when uploading at school though for some reason it was dog slow-same for
downloading-and that stuff was-illustrator files- or pictures--with those
short comings acounted for
Doug,
My experience with Google is that because so much of their stuff is given
away, their Do No Evil has metamorphosed into How could we possibly do
evil? we're such nice people! I don't get the feeling they are embarrassed
when one of their apps turns out to be crap. But I am not a Beta
Nick,
Re: free stuff being crap, well, that's one thing I guess. However I paid
$349 for my pretty Gorilla Glass brick with a blinking blue led.
And the fact that you don't know what you're talking about really does
set you apart from the rest of this list. /sarcasm
--Doug
On Thu, Jan 17,
Glen -
Thanks for the continued engagement. We may not be converging on any
agreement but we might be approaching a common language. Here is an
outline of the issues in our discussion as I see them:
1. Is concept space discrete or continuous (Axiom of Choice vs Landscape)?
2. What is the
Nick -
Sorry. I wasn't asking whether we lie or not. Or even whether it
eases some social situations. I was asking for a theory of why lying
greases social situations. Why is the NET effect of small lies
positive? I can think of some reasons. Like chimpanzees, we live in
a fision-fusion
Humans lie but not everything a human says is a lie. If your sample size is
conversation rather than word, then you can safely say humans always lie.
Otherwise, you're straying into politician lying joke territory.
Ray Parks
Consilient Heuristician/IDART Program Manager
V: 505-844-4024 M:
Nice! You wax poetic in the latter part, which I'm incapable of
paralleling. But I'll try to mimic the spirit.
Steve Smith wrote at 01/17/2013 12:40 PM:
1. Is concept space discrete or continuous (Axiom of Choice vs Landscape)?
2. What is the relationship between humanity and technology?
3.
Nick,
My point is that there are things we do not want to be public that are not
illegal nor shameful. An example of such a thing is a behavior or statement
that seems to contradict one's relationship with another human. It's perfectly
reasonable, but that other human can and frequently
Ah. The equivalent of the bank Robbers mask. Jam the camera. N
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Parks, Raymond
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Privacy vs Open
Why stop at jam the camera? *Spoof* the camera (feed it false but plausible
data, perhaps
inculpating someone else, or perhaps just showing an uppity empty Naugahyde
`:chair): a real-
time, animated analogue of the photoshopped stills we now have learned to
expect everywhere.
Ah. The
I don't have any real information nor the inclination to do the research, but
odds are that huge surveillance camera rollouts (as in city-wide) are IP not
analog cameras. Since running cables is so expensive, they probably use either
wireless (GSM) to the monitoring center or at least wireless
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