[FRIAM] Fwd: Your Daily digest for David Pogue

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Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

The elites can not be accurately defined as a coherent group since the accusers are shooting in so many divergent directions. No more than a young child’s fear of the closet ghost, which can ever be used in a forensic investigation. There may not be elites but certainly there are many fearful

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

You sound much more reasonable than Jacques Lacan ever did, Vladimir. But then I’m told you had to be there. I am sorry for your pain. It shows in your post. It’s righteous pain, altogether justified pain, for we have all been deeply wounded in that place where justice and righteousness abide.

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Steve writes: > I *did* like the image of AI offered up in the movie "She" a few years ago. Pamela writes: > Me too, especially how lonely the humans were when their AI pals deserted > them because frankly, they were too boring. Well, I was rooting for

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Steve writes: "Maybe... but somehow I'm not a lot more confident in the *product* of humans who make bad decisions making *better* decisions?" Nowadays machine learning is much more unsupervised.Self-taught, if you will. Such a consciousness might reasonably decide, "Oh they created us

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Your Daily digest for David Pogue

Everybody and her mother wants to be the next battery technology. Pogue's got a whole horse race of candidates in the wings. But the proof is in the pudding, when you can mass produce your technology, and that proof requires years of scaling up. I was impressed with a recent review article in

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > > > > >> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how > quickly these advances are progressing that give some great

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

> On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > >> " AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly >> these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." >> >> I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Vlad - Only a confirmed Go player could breathe that atmosphere. Though I wonder why Hawking is so afraid of this machine when it can humble the best of us. Just make the board much larger. At some point we will smell insulation burning. Are you sure that isn't the smell of myelin sheath

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" AlphaGo itself isn't scary it's what comes next and so on and how quickly these advances are progressing that give some great minds cause for concern." I just hope it comes soon. Humans aren't making very good decisions lately. Marcus

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

In a book I read several years ago, whose title I cannot recall, the conclusion was: "They may have created us, but they keep gumming things up. They have outlived their usefulness. Better to just get rid of them." -JS On 1/31/17 7:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Steve writes: "Maybe... but

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Why assume they would be interested in our fate or that they'd compete for our resources?They'd probably just head for another environment that was hostile to human life, but not to them. If for some reason they needed to occupy our computers for a while, they'd surely be better at it

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Heh, your juxtaposition and question are ill-formed, which is why I tried to reach some clarity on what that article in the OP meant. Open source is at least in part a political movement with its own conception of "elites", spawning the various license types and long-running legal battles.

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

I like the analysis lifting the lid on elite relating to global. I'm not sure it goes both ways .. lots of plain folks are global without noticing it. I don't think this sort of elite/global can be turned back. Look at your day and surely you will collect a whole basket full of global

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

To consider the issue perhaps more seriously, AI100 was created two years ago at Stanford University, funded by Eric Horowitz and his wife. Eric is an early AI pioneer at Microsoft. It’s a hundred-year, rolling study of the many impacts of AI, and it plans to issue reports every five years

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

So once AI machines are allowed to start designing themselves with at least the goal for increasing performance, how long have we got? (It doesn't matter whether we (ie the US) allow that or some other resourceful, perhaps military, organization does it.) Didn't Hawking fear runaway AI as a

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

We’ve even managed to mess up the climate. That’s a serious kind of stubborn stupidity. I think those hypothetical clankers may have a point. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Densmore Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:06 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Hmmm why do I worry about 'clankers' deciding humans are jerks and suddenly we're living inside a game while the robots laugh and play agame of Unu? I think I saw that move. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Why assume they would be interested in

Re: [FRIAM] AI advance

Aye that the do! On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > We’ve even managed to mess up the *climate*. That’s a serious kind of > stubborn stupidity. I think those hypothetical clankers may have a > point. > > > > *From:* Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

That sounds to me like a conditional: > We are global because we are elite. If not-elite then not-global. or: elite or not-global or: not (global and not-elite) If that is meant to be true as an expression in propositional calculus then there is no conversation to be had. A mean,

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

My intention was to try to assert that all globalism is fundamentally based in technology (from planes to batteries to P2P nets). All the global, human interactions you're describing exist because of the various technologies we have facility with. Techies are the elitest of the elite. And

Re: [FRIAM] Globalism in the age of populism? .. & Open Source Software

Right, poorly stated. I believe the conversation was tending towards saying elites tend towards globalism. I don't think the reverse was intended. I actually didn't bring it up but did comment on it. I suspect "elites" as used would mean the ruling class, or more loosely, those well educated and