Re: [FRIAM] Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Standish wrote circa 12-03-23 10:21 PM: In order to persuade me that induction is invalid, Here's a great example of how a belief in induction allows us to think in sloppy ways:

Re: [FRIAM] Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread Robert Holmes
This reminds me of a comment in the Physics vs. Chemistryhttp://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/timc/timc_20111219-1700a.mp3episode of the BBC's Infinite Monkey Cage: Chemistry is better than physics, because if something doesn't work you can't pretend that it does by sticking the word 'dark'

Re: [FRIAM] Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread glen e. p. ropella
This is a red herring. The argument for dark matter/energy need not be inductive. The inductive form is: o we've defined the set based on the laws of physics we've observed o everything is in this set o gravity seems stronger/weaker than predicted in some contexts .: there are unobserved

Re: [FRIAM] Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Glen, There is good reason to exclude the middle though. I am uncomfortable with the non-right-or-wrong options you have given. To me, it seems that an argument can only be correct if it specifies the circumstances under which it is correct (when the intended circumstances are always, we often

Re: [FRIAM] Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread Nicholas Thompson
or by working with examples so staightfoward and free of technical detail that the context is obvious to all participants without a whole lot of explication . -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella

[FRIAM] a tangent from Re: Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread lrudolph
Glen wrote: Nick and Doug are both being flippant because a mailing list is not a conducive forum to rigorous conversation. They seemingly enjoy their lack of empathy toward the other, at least here ... probably not face-to-face. So, the likelihood either will assume the other has

[FRIAM] a further tangent

2012-03-26 Thread lrudolph
I asked a (non-rhetorical) question: But you might think it is, so I ask you, do you? If not, how might it be remediated (practically or impractically)? It occurred to me that maybe this is something that could be investigated using ... AGENT BASED MODELING! (Indeed, maybe it has been.)

Re: [FRIAM] a tangent from Re: Just as a bye-the-way

2012-03-26 Thread glen e. p. ropella
lrudo...@meganet.net wrote at 03/26/2012 02:08 PM: I said that you're not *necessarily* concluding that the FRIAM forum (in particular) is *irremediably* flawed (you do, after all, continue to participate non-trivially). But you might think it is, so I ask you, do you? If not, how might