Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-17 Thread glen
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 12:30 -0400, mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: Keep in mind that it (e.g. SCI) necessarily leads to distributed control mechanisms. So it's not a simple distinction between citizens opting for strong/big vs. weak/small government. Technology encourages the concentration of

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 6/17/13 6:24 AM, glen wrote: Technology encourages the concentration of control in the same way that it encourages the concentration of wealth. In other words, if people want their privacy, then they need to work to ensure it. If we don't see them work to ensure it, then we can conclude

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-17 Thread Steve Smith
Glen and Marcus - Technology encourages the concentration of control in the same way that it encourages the concentration of wealth. I agree that this *can* happen and often *does* happen. I'd be interested in a broader discussion of the mechanisms. The simple answers seem obvious to me,

Re: [FRIAM] Obama on NSA Surveillance

2013-06-17 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Steve wrote: ``Or they have allowed themselves to be convinced that A) the threats from terrorism, etc are greater than the threats from loss of privacy; or B) that their privacy is already lost, they might as well have security.A slippery slope to be sure.'' Going back to the government

Re: [FRIAM] PRISM/AP kerfluffle, etc

2013-06-17 Thread Owen Densmore
More grist for this mill: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-17/apple-joins-facebook-microsoft-in-outlining-data-requests.html On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 5:48 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 17:09 -0400, mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: However, I think many people do have

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Joshua Thorp
Just noting, I think these are visualizations of fire progressions which means that this is the equivalent of watching an animated radar map (though perhaps less accurate?). We see where the fire was estimated to be after the fact. Not what the fire will do. Amazing to see the scale of the

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Roger, After seeing this, I sent a question to the quoted researcher, Scott Bachmeier, about his method for calculating plume height. I asked if it was based on from a single image using sun angle and shadows, multiple offset satellite images or ground triangulation His reply just came in: I

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
Searching nasa cloud top height product gets http://modis-atmos.gsfc.nasa.gov/MOD06_L2/ and http://enso.larc.nasa.gov/calipso_cloudsat/pub/journal/Minnis.etal.GRL.08.pdf which suggest that they're reading the temperature of the cloud tops from the IR imagery, and that they calibrated a linear fit

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Seems like it should be a standard cell phone camera surveying application to compute the angular altitude of an object above the horizon and the range of possible linear altitudes given the range of visible distances along the azimuth. Scott is working on this very thing :-) Kind of a

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Marcus G. Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: On 6/17/13 1:48 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Seems like it should be a standard cell phone camera surveying application to compute the angular altitude of an object above the horizon and the range of possible

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
Marcus may have meant calibrated pinhole instead of fisheye. This is the approach we're using where we click on points in the photo and then corresponding points in google earth plugin. With 7 points we then solve for the pinhole camera parameters. Or, in the case that the image is from cell

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Owen Densmore
Just in case, here's the photosynth site: http://photosynth.net/ One thing that may be lost in all this is that the fire progression maps are educational tools for incident commanders. History is important. They can scrub the fire's progress back forth to validate their own evaluation of the

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 6/17/13 2:47 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Why? Point the camera at the object in question, if you can get an accurate pose for the camera plane, then the rest is classical surveying geometry and classical optics. Aren't the sensors kind of low resolution and noisy?

Re: [FRIAM] pyrocumulus

2013-06-17 Thread Stephen Guerin
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[FRIAM] More important weather news

2013-06-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
The next named Atlantic tropical storm of this season will be Barry. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] More important weather news

2013-06-17 Thread Barry MacKichan
The last time my name came up (about 20 years ago, I think) the storm was only a tropical depression. Depressing… --Barry On Jun 17, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: The next named Atlantic tropical storm of this season will be Barry. -- rec --

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Gary Schiltz
I got one of the two that you received. I've never understood how (or if) only subscribers can post lists can work. Can anyone post if the From: header of their email is a valid user? That would be super easy to spoof. In the case of the two spam messages, how would that apply? I.e. are

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Dean Gerber
I received one from Dena Aquilina.  Did not open it. From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com; disc...@sfcomplex.org Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Spam Problems? I've gotten two spam

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Steve Smith
Gary, et al - Mail servers have gotten a lot less permissive about spoofing... for example, while I could fiddle my From: field in my mail header, to look as if it came From:g...@naturesvisualarts.com, my SMPT server would consider that mail forwarding and unless (in an unlikely case) my ISP

Re: [FRIAM] Spam Problems?

2013-06-17 Thread Steve Smith
A bit of threadbending Speakng of SPAM and Spoofs and such: I recently had something entirely new for me happen on my smart phone (iPhone 4). I got a text and a phone call (which I didn't answer) from what felt like Santa Fe (was a 505) number. I'm not sure which came in first. No