Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-20 Thread Gary Schiltz
I fear that this sounds like blaming the victims (i.e. the Libyan people), but I haven't heard discussion of the difference between how Egypt managed its overthrow of its dictator versus how Libya has attempted to do so. At least from just watching the two situations unfold on network TV (CNN

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-20 Thread Patrick Reilly
Robert Fisk speaks to this point. The Egyptian military officer class is a core element of the social structure of that country. Many of the young officers who were directed to shoot civilians sought the counsel of their own fathers (by cell phones), who forbade doing so. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-20 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Ditto what Patrick said. In the end, one of the most important aspects of whether or not an insurrection is successful is which way the military goes. In Egypt, for the most part, the military refused to fire, and in the end sided with the rebels. The question for Egypt now is whether or not the

[FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-19 Thread Alfredo Covaleda
Is it necessary to open Pandora's Box? -- Forwarded message -- From: NYTimes.com News Alert nytdir...@nytimes.com Date: 2011/3/19 Subject: News Alert: U.S. Joins Airstrikes in Libya Against Qaddafi Forces To: alfredocoval...@aim.com Breaking News Alert The New York Times Sat,

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-19 Thread Patrick Reilly
This is one of the few times that I support US military action. I have no doubt that our government will screw-up the endgame, of course. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Alfredo Covaleda alfredocoval...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to open Pandora's Box? -- Forwarded message

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-19 Thread Jochen Fromm
: Patrick Reilly To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary? This is one of the few times that I support US military action. I have no doubt that our government will screw-up the endgame

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-19 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
All questions about necessity are of an if, then form. If we want to stop a military offensive aimed at the Libyan people, is it necessary to open Pandora's Box, ?... well, yes. Did you have a different if in mind? Eric P.S. By we I surprisingly mean France and Britain, it is nice to have

Re: [FRIAM] Airstrikes in Libya. Is it necessary?

2011-03-19 Thread Patrick Reilly
That box done been opened over 50 years ago, Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2011, at 16:21, ERIC P. CHARLES e...@psu.edu wrote: All questions about necessity are of an if, then form. If we want to stop a military offensive aimed at the Libyan people, is it necessary to open Pandora's Box,