Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-22 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Half the never-ending hurt in this world seems to come from our thinking we know what other people's intentions are from their actions... Talk to me a bit about what an intention is to you, what an action is to you, and how they differ. A simple but profound (to me) example, I have

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-22 Thread Carl Tollander
/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ - Original Message - *From:* Steve Smith mailto:sasm...@swcp.com *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com *Sent:* 6/21/2009 5:51:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-21 Thread Russ Abbott
Group friam@redfish.com Date: 6/19/2009 11:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Douglas Roberts wrote: Well, that certainly cleared things up! And the most fascinating thing (for the benefit for those who know neither I nor Doug personally

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-21 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Bringing something from a P.S. up to the front: Nick's ethical stance would be based on treating things that act in certain ways as equal to all other things that act in certain ways, and it wouldn't get much more prescriptive than that. The acts he would be interested in would be very

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior I am way too animistic in my instincts to go for most of this. Eric said: Nick's ethical stance would be based on treating things that act in certain ways as equal to all other things that act in certain ways, and it wouldn't get much more prescriptive

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-20 Thread Steve Smith
James Steiner wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: What is odd about this whole interchange is that I can't quite find the point of view (all experience is 3rd person) Nick is promoting, but it feels that it could very well be my own habit of

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
: Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 6/19/2009 11:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Douglas Roberts wrote: Well, that certainly cleared things up! And the most fascinating thing (for the benefit

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread John Kennison
...@earthlink.net Cc: friam@redfish.com; e...@psu.edu Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Nick wrote: To call a man dishonest (my word, I admit, but you have embraced it) is very harsh in my world, and seems (to me) to require a level of certainty about another person's motives that I just don't

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Russ Abbott
[russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:07 PM To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net Cc: friam@redfish.com; e...@psu.edu Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Nick wrote: To call a man dishonest (my word, I admit, but you have embraced it) is very harsh in my world

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ [Original Message] From: Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 6/18/2009 10:13:40 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior I think we've started recursion here

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Nick wrote: To call a man dishonest (my word, I admit, but you have embraced it) is very harsh in my world, and seems (to me) to require a level of certainty about another person's motives that I just don't know how you could come by from your

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Date: 6/19/2009 8:40:53 AM Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Nick and I are on opposite sides of the consciousness debate. I think there is an inner mind and that I experience it. Nick rejects statements not made from the third person perspective. Perhaps the debate suffers

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Steve Smith
[russ.abb...@gmail.com mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:07 PM To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net Cc: friam@redfish.com mailto:friam@redfish.com; e...@psu.edu mailto:e...@psu.edu Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread James Steiner
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: What is odd about this whole interchange is that I can't quite find the point of view (all experience is 3rd person) Nick is promoting, but it feels that it could very well be my own habit of experience and language. What

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott [russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:07 PM To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net Cc: friam@redfish.com; e...@psu.edu Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Nick wrote: To call a man dishonest (my word, I admit, but you have embraced

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
- *From:* Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com *To: *John Kennison jkenni...@clarku.edu *Cc: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com; nickthomp...@earthlink.net; e...@psu.edu *Sent:* 6/19/2009 8:58:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior As I wrote

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 6/19/2009 11:04:45 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: What is odd about this whole interchange is that I can't quite find the point of view (all experience is 3rd person) Nick

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net;The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: russ.abb...@gmail.com; John Kennison; e...@psu.edu Sent: 6/19/2009 11:46:47 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Well, that certainly cleared things up! ;-} ;-{ On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:33

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
Group friam@redfish.com *Cc: *russ.abb...@gmail.com; John Kennison jkenni...@clarku.edu; e...@psu.edu *Sent:* 6/19/2009 11:46:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior Well, that certainly cleared things up! ;-} ;-{ On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Nicholas Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-19 Thread Steve Smith
Douglas Roberts wrote: Well, that certainly cleared things up! And the most fascinating thing (for the benefit for those who know neither I nor Doug personally) is that this was a wonderful illumination for me. Nothing conclusive, but nicely expansive (for me)... I think it is time for Doug

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-18 Thread Russ Abbott
Nick wrote: * To call a man dishonest (my word, I admit, but you have embraced it) is very harsh in my world, and seems (to me) to require a level of certainty about another person's motives that I just don't know how you could come by from your limited experience with me. ...* *You are

Re: [FRIAM] Nick and dishonest behavior

2009-06-18 Thread Steve Smith
I think we've started recursion here. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org