Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Nick Thompson
R., Thanks for this. “bricolage “ is one of those words I thought I knew the meaning of… and didn’t. I thought it referred to what you got if you dropped a stack of fine china while carrying it to the table before your wife’s dinner party for her boss. Bad pun from “breakage” I

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
Via Cape Horn or the Panama Canal? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 11, 2017 11:36 AM, "Roger Critchlow" wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > >> PS> Do you EVER visit SFe? I haven't cracked a single book I bought

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Roger Critchlow
That's funny, none of those definitions mention Levi-Strauss or any other intellectual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricolage The first, “social bricolage,” was introduced by cultural anthropologist Claude > Lévi-Strauss in > 1962.

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Steven A Smith
It is almost time (in geologic as well as seasonal scales) to take the polar route! Count the bears along the way? Or maybe the Drumpf can be talked into cutting a wide canal from the great lakes at the 49th parallel to keep those "unsavory furriners out of our Great 'Murrica Agin!" I

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Roger Critchlow
Alaska Air this time, Jet Blue last time, both involving red-eye legs, I gotta cut that out. -- rec -- On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Via Cape Horn or the Panama Canal? > > > Frank Wimberly > Phone (505) 670-9918 > > On Jun 11, 2017 11:36 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

2017-06-11 Thread Steven A Smith
I just read through the article and was equally intrigued and disappointed... intrigued by some of the ideas presented and disappointed by the (mostly) superficial treatment in the article... of course, it is at the right level for the audience I think, so no harm, no foul... I just need to

Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

2017-06-11 Thread Owen Densmore
> > https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of- > causality-consciousness/ > > I think you all will like this. I actually think I disapprove, but it’s > late and I cannot remember why. > > Courtesy of a friend. > > ​Love the article, and it seemed reasonably precise.

[FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

2017-06-11 Thread Nick Thompson
https://www.wired.com/story/new-math-untangles-the-mysterious-nature-of-caus ality-consciousness/ I think you all will like this. I actually think I disapprove, but it's late and I cannot remember why. Courtesy of a friend. Nick

Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

2017-06-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Cult of the individual, Mathematics Edition. Wait till he gives his TED talk. Sheesh, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] IS:New Math Untangles the Mysterious Nature of Causality | WIRED WAS: Layers, not broilers

2017-06-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
I wonder how Hoel gets along with my erstwhile boss, Clark Glymour, whose field is also causation and mind and who is also at Carnegie Mellon. This spell corrector is getting out of control. It changed "Hoel" to "Joel" and "also" to "alcohol". Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Nick Thompson
R. Y-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-s….? And the pattern is………? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From:

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Roger Critchlow
I think I'm starting to see a pattern here. -- rec -- On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > Dave West writes: "... An example, "the future is in front of us." > > Unless you're a member of some Andean tribe whose name I've forgotten. > Then the past is in

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Prof David West
The Andean tribe is the Aymara - hence my example. BTW "the future is in front of us" is an embedded metaphor ala Lakoff because it relates the fact our bodies move in the same direction our eyes point; but the Aymaran "future is behind us because we see it not" is actually more of a conceptual

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Roger Critchlow
The pattern is that people recognize patterns. Patterns of sensory experience that get resolved to people, places, things, phenomena. Patterns of gesture, utterance, markings on media which get recognized as language. Patterns of linguistic expression which contend to be seen as models, or

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Roger - I think your invocation of neural nets as a model of how complex pattern matching/associations get built/learned by humans is motivated, if not as a deep explanation of how our mind/brian works, but how it *might*. The work at LANL on the petavision project which primarily was

Re: [FRIAM] Model, Metaphor, Analogy

2017-06-11 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > PS> Do you EVER visit SFe? I haven't cracked a single book I bought when > you were leaving... I have friends and colleagues dying and downsizing so > fast that my own damn library is growing faster than I can even