Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Thanks, Glen, Kind of you to respond. I will do a bit of larding below. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Frank, I think Glen would reply that minor has all sorts of association that provide some predictability. I can’t fight every battle in every email Yes. And immediately I have felt really stupid for feeling that. How on earth could another’s pain meliorate mine! What was

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Part of the pain comes from feeling unique in one's defect. What happened Monday? Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 20, 2017 8:01 PM, "Nick Thompson" wrote: > Frank, > > > > > > I think Glen would reply that minor has all sorts of association that

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
p.s. Did you see the article on the possibility that the Universe is conscious? Pretty distinguished supporters. Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 20, 2017 9:21 PM, "Frank Wimberly" wrote: > No one notified me about a time/place. Maybe they knew I wouldn't

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread gepr ⛧
On June 20, 2017 6:14:49 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >[NST==>I assume you would agree that “unmarried because unmarried” is >perniciously circular. Right? Just checking. <==nst] Vapid, yes. Shallow, yes. Perhaps even vicious. But it's a little too empty,

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, [NST==>I suppose that one could argue that any time one writes a sentence of the form, A is a B, one has launched into metaphor. <==nst] What about, “every planet in the Solar System that is closer to the Sun than Jupiter is a minor planet.” Why didn’t you challenge Glen’s use

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
No one notified me about a time/place. Maybe they knew I wouldn't yield on the ineffability of consciousness. Maybe knowing everyone dies strengthens the oceanic feeling. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jun 20, 2017 9:17 PM, "Nick Thompson" wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Frank, The Metaphor group. I thought you were going to go along? To you point about uniqueness. It’s odd. Misery does love company, I suppose. But, I mean, really? The only reason not to be bummed by not being unique, is if the banality of one’s pain suggests a solution. But that

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread gepr ⛧
On June 20, 2017 8:16:57 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >I dunno. I never quite know what Glen is on about. But I tended to >read his response in terms of his cancer. He is saying, “I am >comforted by knowing that I am not the only man with cancer.” If I >were

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread glen ☣
Just in case it needs to be stated, explicitly, I'm also interested in your deliberations. At a minimum, it would be very cool to see a reading list, things your collective feel are important to being able to hold a conversation in the domain. On 06/18/2017 09:46 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

2017-06-20 Thread glen ☣
Y'all say: In http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20170619/f46244d3/attachment-0001.pdf: > > > If our analysis is correct, then the distinction between explanation and > description takes > on an entirely new importance in science. > ... > The young man thinks, "This

Re: [FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn

2017-06-20 Thread Marcus Daniels
Figure 1: The machines are coming! From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn Apropos my

Re: [FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn

2017-06-20 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Wow, Roger. I don't get all this, but tell me---does this change everything for modelers? On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Apropos my babbling about all patterns being patterns and all the > mechanisms that recognize patterns being an incomprehensible

Re: [FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn

2017-06-20 Thread Marcus Daniels
Table 3 suggests that there are general information processing features that translate across domains. Table 4 suggests that becoming an expert in many things doesn’t make you (much) of a worse expert in any one thing. Don’t pull your kid out of liberal arts college just yet? And weirdly

[FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn

2017-06-20 Thread Roger Critchlow
Apropos my babbling about all patterns being patterns and all the mechanisms that recognize patterns being an incomprehensible jumble of mechanisms, Google shares One Model to Learn Them All, https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.05137, in which it turns out that throwing all the architectural elements from

Re: [FRIAM] All Your Them Are One Model To Us Learn

2017-06-20 Thread glen ☣
On 06/20/2017 11:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The last thing you want is your personal assistant robot putting your > Labradoodle in the refrigerator. But what if you want to eat the other half later? -- ☣ glen FRIAM Applied