Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-25 Thread M.B.Jr.
Hey kids, whazup? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: If you are still running Windows 95 that's your problem. Nevertheless, if one runs Windows 7, here is the problem: http://en.windows7sins.org/ Regards, Marcio Barbado, Jr.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-25 Thread Christian Sciberras
Oh my G! I'm going to quote that site next time I get to help a *nix newbie figure out permissions without sudo. Seriously by that reason I could accuse linux users of exerting too much freedom giving the allusion of godly control - which as you might have guessed is a sin. ...unless you

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-21 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27:22AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: (Note that the esteemed Mr READ_THE_LIST_CHARTER overlooked unknown knowns - that class of stuff we don't realize or refuse to admit we actually *do* know: ok, i know i am a writer not a reader (like a narcisist

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-19 Thread lsi
On 18 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: In fact, this thread has inspired me to add a new section to the Hammer of God website (currently undergoing major renovation) Uh-huh... get a new version of Dreamweaver did we? :) I just want to make sure you understand that *I* didn't

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-19 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:08 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) On 18 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Cassidy MacFarlane
Sent from my HTC -Original Message- From: Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com Sent: 15 May 2010 21:59 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here. No, I don't

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Christian Sciberras
-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here. No, I don't misunderstand: You said You may recall that last year, the average annual growth rate of new threats (as defined by Symantec) was 243%. This enabled me to predict

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't fall for someone's hysteria from using windows. By the way, I don't know you, but I would depend on the _fact_ that I've been using a product without a hitch

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 08:49:29PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said: Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the oxygen in your machine. The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be snip why

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Christian Sciberras
To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here. No, I don't misunderstand: You said You may recall that last year, the average annual growth rate of new threats (as defined

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:00:52 +0300, Georgi Guninski said: why flame about constants about detectable malware when the world missed 100% of the undetectable malware? :) There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Thor (Hammer Of God)
[mailto:uuf6...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:40 AM To: Cassidy MacFarlane Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't fall for someone's hysteria

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-18 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2010 14:40:45 + Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: What messages warning you from using Windows? I certainly hope you do not have me confused with the OP – I already used the term “hysteria” to describe his ideas and subsequent recommendations. The

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
Is my business at risk, if I say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because their hardware/software combination is no longer viable? I imagine these questions are on the minds of many IT managers, and with a chart on the wall showing 243% mutation, it is only reasonable that

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 16 May 2010 at 20:49, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: To: stu...@cyberdelix.net Copies to: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Date sent: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:49:29 -0400 On Sun, 16 May

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 17 May 2010 at 18:08, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: Is my business at risk, if I say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because their hardware/software combination is no longer viable? In business, you are always exposed to some level of risk when you charge for

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-17 Thread lsi
On 17 May 2010 at 0:18, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said: It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Christian Sciberras
: Sun, 16 May 2010 03:06:18 + Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) This just gets better all the time. I have to admit, it was fun at first, but now's I grow weary, mostly because this is just sad. For you to actually think that one can't find out how

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
, especially as time passes, that'll be just a blip before long. Stu On 15 May 2010 at 14:59, Christian Sciberras wrote: Date sent: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:59:46 +0100 Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) From: Christian Sciberras uuf6429 () gmail com To: stuart

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread lsi
, 16 May 2010 19:08:26 + Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) The error in your overall thesis is your failure to identify the difference between threat and risk. You are interacting with Symantec's report of x new threats as if it actually means something

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said: Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the oxygen in your machine. The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be 243% more malware samples, that doesn't translate into 243% more oxygen consumption.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread lsi
: Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Date sent: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:08:26 + Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) The error in your overall thesis is your failure

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said: It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does everyone else I know. Unfortunately, you haven't shown that the

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:12 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Hi All! Just a followup from my posting of 9 months ago (which can be found here): http

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows are simply ignorant. If you are still running Windows 95 that's your problem. Do a little research before post assertions based on 10 or

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer Of God)
That kind of goes for everything, doesn't it? T On May 15, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Peter Besenbruch p...@lava.net wrote: On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows are simply

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since last year was %243, that this year

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
An interesting point - Unicode? I don't think 5Mb files are infeasible, especially as time passes, that'll be just a blip before long. Stu On 15 May 2010 at 14:59, Christian Sciberras wrote: Date sent: Sat, 15 May 2010 14:59:46 +0100 Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Jeffrey Walton
-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk full- disclos...@lists.grok.org.uk Date sent:              Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + Subject:                Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread BMF
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote: I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since last year was %243, that this year would be %243. Wow.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
[mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:07 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) Is that you, Bill? I think you misunderstand. 9 months ago, I measured the growth rate at 243%, using

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread BMF
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: As opposed to crowd sourcing, which some claim is inherently more secure because more [uneducated] eyes review the source code? There are far more educated eyes able to review the Linux source code than the Windows source

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread rdsears
-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since last year was %243, that this year would be %243. Wow. Really? And for the record, these claims

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread shawn Davison
Sent from my HTC Touch Pro2 on the Now Network from Sprint®. -Original Message- From: BMF badmotherfs...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:54 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:22:26 -0400 Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote: This is along the lines of, 'Linux does not get viruses' argument. Give me a break... I set up a dual boot arrangement on a friend's machine. The Windows side promptly got infected. The guy was furious and blamed his

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
- disclos...@lists.grok.org.uk Date sent:Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 + Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like some sort of statistical genius because you were able

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of lsi Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:15 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) On 16 May 2010 at 0:09, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: Just as I expected. A wishy

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 16 May 2010, at 04:06, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: Oh, one last thing - your dear Pegasus 4.51 Windows-based program that you hypocritically hold on to while demonizing Windows and .NET was... wait for it wait for it written with Visual Studio 2008 C++ - a proud Microsoft

Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise)

2010-05-15 Thread lsi
03:06:18 + Subject:Re: [Full-disclosure] Windows' future (reprise) This just gets better all the time. I have to admit, it was fun at first, but now's I grow weary, mostly because this is just sad. For you to actually think that one can't find out how much free drive