On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 01:55:31AM +0100, Christian Sciberras wrote:
Actually, *most* bands that make money do so off the concert tours -
tickets and
tshirts is where the actual money is at, not the album sales.
So why bother with album sales in the first place?
This is the same with
No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the fuck you Byron mentioned)
isn't fruitful to remedy the situation.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.comwrote:
What you said doesn't follow.
Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business. The analogy
Not necessarily.
Look at the effects of people posting DeCSS and the HDDVD keys a while back.
The industry ended up giving in precisely because people said, en
masse, fuck off.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Christian Sciberras uuf6...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it follows the fact that vengeance
Uhm, that was a ridiculous situation anyway (@illegal primes).
So lets leave it at 'not necessarily'.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.comwrote:
Not necessarily.
Look at the effects of people posting DeCSS and the HDDVD keys a while
back.
The industry
Just to be clear, what's been done in the name of intellectual property
protection is fucking ridiculous. I just do not see how getting something
someone put a non-zero value of work and materials into without even so
much as asking or being given permission from the person who made it is
somehow
Of course I wouldn't, downloading a car would be like stealing a car.
Piracy is horrible and all the boats used by the pirate scum should be
taken away.
2012/1/28 Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org
On this topic i saw this
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6960965/1970_Chevelle_Hot-Rod_3d_model
,
DDoS their boats.
2012/1/28 Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org
On 1/28/2012 3:13 PM, Julius Kivimäki wrote:
Of course I wouldn't, downloading a car would be like stealing a car.
Piracy is horrible and all the boats used by the pirate scum should be
taken away.
2012/1/28 Laurelai
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Benjamin Kreuter ben.kreu...@gmail.com wrote:
The best compromise I can think of is to treat noncommercial copyright
infringement like a parking violation: you get a ticket for some small
but annoying amount of money.
This is the best solution I've seen
Saw this subject on the work email. Follow this list to learn random stuff
ans stay informed, so thanks for all your posts and such.
Also do the music thing, and I can tell you that if you ask ten musicians who
write and record their own music, you'll get ten different answers. From
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:22:23 PST, Zach C. said:
(Fair use being the main exception there, but fair use usually implies
something distinctive being done to the work, too, as opposed to minor
editing/shitty encoding. Feel free to correct!)
Two of the major areas of fair use *are* minor
Dear Valdis and whoever else;
The really ridiculous points are the following:
A) Every time you execute/install/download a program you are
committing evil data theft by not only copying
secret or illegal information into
RAM/Disk/Registers/Buffers/Busses/photons coming off the screen/human
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Charles Morris cmor...@cs.odu.edu wrote:
Dear Valdis and whoever else;
The really ridiculous points are the following:
A) Every time you execute/install/download a program you are
committing evil data theft by not only copying
secret or illegal information
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
...
For the record, all my media is legitimately acquired,
i once saw Valdis rockin' out with headphones on - volume at 11,
providing an unauthorized, non-personal broadcast of a copyright'ed
composition to those near by.
clearly
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 04:53:12 EST, Charles Morris said:
A) Every time you execute/install/download a program you are
committing evil data theft by not only copying
Actually, at least in the US, the copy into RAM required to execute a program
is already covered in 17 USC 117 (a)(1).
The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key
things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline Fall is this:
The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly
relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the laws
are ignored and ineffective.
Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old
business, if you know what I mean...
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne byron.so...@gmail.comwrote:
The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key
things I learned from reading
What you said doesn't follow.
Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business. The analogy
linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras uuf6...@gmail.com wrote:
Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old
On this topic i saw this
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6960965/1970_Chevelle_Hot-Rod_3d_model
, real question is would you download a car if you could?
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On 1/28/2012 3:13 PM, Julius Kivimäki wrote:
Of course I wouldn't, downloading a car would be like stealing a car.
Piracy is horrible and all the boats used by the pirate scum should be
taken away.
2012/1/28 Laurelai laure...@oneechan.org mailto:laure...@oneechan.org
On this topic i saw
Sadly you can't download routers and internet connections...especially
without an internet connection.
But I suppose you could be the regular joe and steal from your neighbours'
bandwidth (it's a human right, remember? your neighbour doesn't have a
right to keep the internets to himself!!!).
On 1/28/2012 3:36 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
Sadly you can't download routers and internet connections...especially
without an internet connection.
But I suppose you could be the regular joe and steal from your
neighbours' bandwidth (it's a human right, remember? your
neighbour
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:02:09 PST, Zach C. said:
If you buy an album used, the seller generally loses possession of it, you
gain possession of it at a reduced cost, and the original purchase still
gave the original seller and producer value.
Note that if I shoplift a CD that sucks and isn't
That has always been viewed from the consumer perspective.
If you look at it from the producers' perspective, you'll see their right
to withhold their creative
content until you pay something back.
While the terminology is not correct, it doesn't mean you can abuse it and
expect people
to waste
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On Jan 27, 2012 4:07 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:06:28 GMT, Michael Schmidt said:
You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:49:09 +0100
Christian Sciberras uuf6...@gmail.com wrote:
That has always been viewed from the consumer perspective.
Copyrights exist for consumers, at least according to the US
constitution:
The Congress shall have the
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:02:09 PST, Zach C. said:
If you buy an album used, the seller generally loses possession of it, you
gain possession of it at a reduced cost, and the original purchase still
gave the original seller and
Another thing to note, if artists, software companies etc were so
nice to actually want
to give all this stuff for free, I'm pretty sure no one is forcing
them to sell their content.
So don't talk about the they're not loosing anything bullshit to me.
Then tell me what they lost. Can you
Copyrights exist for consumers, at least according to the US
constitution: snip
And? I'm talking about the simple fact that the producer has the right
to earn money from his creation. Copyright is just a tool.
Copyrights do not exist for the benefit of producers; that is only a
means to an
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:30:21 +0100, Christian Sciberras said:
Can you prove that a company/group can live on by handing out free copies
of their song on the internet? How many companies out there do that?
Actually, *most* bands that make money do so off the concert tours - tickets and
tshirts
Actually, *most* bands that make money do so off the concert tours - tickets
and
tshirts is where the actual money is at, not the album sales.
So why bother with album sales in the first place?
This is the same with free/commercial software. At the end of the day
the creator decides
the
On 1/28/2012 6:55 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
Actually, *most* bands that make money do so off the concert tours - tickets
and
tshirts is where the actual money is at, not the album sales.
So why bother with album sales in the first place?
This is the same with free/commercial software.
im going to the 'benz dealer in the morning to express my 1st amendment right...
The Somalians are learning the hard way that it just isnt so...
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im going to the 'benz dealer in the morning to express my 1st
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The Somalians are learning the hard way that it just isnt so...
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Well... it's hard to convince people that data piracy is the same as
physical piracy! The think that if they CAN do somehting... they have the
RIGHT to DO IT!
As a content producer... I can't stand this sense of entitlement... but oh
well... I've just gotta tranform with the times i
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On 1/27/2012 3:01 AM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing wrote:
HAHAHAA...
Well... it's hard to convince people that data piracy is the same as
physical piracy! The think that if they CAN do somehting... they have
the RIGHT to DO IT!
As a content producer... I can't stand this sense of
On 1/27/2012 3:29 AM, Vipul Agarwal wrote:
Let's keep FD and Reddit apart!
Regards,
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:01:31 +0900, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing said:
As a content producer... I can't stand this sense of entitlement... but oh
well... I've just gotta tranform with the times i guess!
You may want to talk to your fellow content producers - and even more
importantly,
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On 1/27/2012 2:24 AM, Jerry dePriest wrote:
im going to the 'benz
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:06:28 GMT, Michael Schmidt said:
You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You are taking the
creator the rightful owners profits, which they are entitled to if it is a
product they created to be sold.
You might want to go read Courtney Love Does The Math,
did piracy/theft become expression of
freedom
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:06:28 GMT, Michael Schmidt said:
You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You are taking
the creator the rightful owners profits, which they are entitled to if
it is a product they created to be sold.
You might
On Jan 27, 2012 4:07 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:06:28 GMT, Michael Schmidt said:
You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You are taking
the
creator the rightful owners profits, which they are entitled to if it
is a
product they created to be
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