[Full-Disclosure] wiered outlook (SP2) Behaviour

2004-11-12 Thread Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Clicking on a link inside outlook express 6 (after SP2) when outlook is set to read incoming messages as an HTML (the default) clicking on URLs does not open an I.E window. However when any I.E window/process is already open in the background, it does open a new window with the link. Whats

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Its not about market share. Its about functionality.Internet Explorer has about a 1000 functions for website designers to make an amazing website withdynamic content and wonderfull graphic filters and a million extends to the simple HTML language. All this functions creates a wide range

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
That is incorrect, there is a fix -- SP2.Users should use the latest updated system, meaning if there is an SP2, they should install it.Rafel Ivgi, The-InsiderSecurity ConsultantMalicious Code Research Center (MCRC)Finjan Software LTDE-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread David B Harris
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:18:55 -0500 Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, IE security needs work. Yes, Firefox is a great web browser. However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would it really be that much more secure? There sure would be a lot more people trying

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Poof
Well, question here... Why is it that Microsoft's code has less quality even though all code that's written is instantly audited? (Each line of code is checked before it's 'passed' in to the code tree.) I just don't understand... Why is it that a software product that a company has been working

[Full-Disclosure] [SECURITY] [DSA 592-1] New ez-ipupdate packages fix format string vulnerability

2004-11-12 Thread debian-security-announce
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Debian Security Advisory DSA 592-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/security/ Martin Schulze November 12th, 2004

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Unofficial Internet Explorer FRAME/IFRAME fix

2004-11-12 Thread Thomas Rogg
Nick FitzGerald wrote: You told us everything useful/important about this except that it is beg-ware. According to your web page: Why do I need to donate? That it is. Sorry. But I do not believe that $2,50 is a ridiciously high amount, is it? - Thomas Rogg

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Des Ward
Other browsers may have problems, and often do (In the case of Firefox say) but the time to respond is key here. MS have a real problem going that extra mile when it comes to patching against variants of a vulnerability (ADODB.stream, shell: etc). Mosl software has vulnerabilities at some

[Full-Disclosure] RE:Fragroute[Thanks Frank]

2004-11-12 Thread jialc
I have solved the problem ,but I have new problem now. When I run the binary like this ./fragroute 192.168.1.78 , the error message was shown: fragroute: couldn't delete loopback route fragroute: couldn't initialize tunnel interface: Invalid argument I try to find the problem ,but i failed.Help

Re: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread roman . kunz
no that's not normal. normally you get two worms a day ;-) cheers roman Stephen Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11.11.2004 21:35 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [Full-Disclosure] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, 2nd day on this list and already a windows worm

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: [Advisory + Exploit] SlimFTPd = 3.15

2004-11-12 Thread roman . kunz
nice... i did not knew that kotik suck that hard. but milw0rm seems to be pretty organized. thx for the tip class 101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11.11.2004 23:04 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [Full-Disclosure] Re: [Advisory + Exploit] SlimFTPd = 3.15

Re: OT [Full-Disclosure] U.S. 2004 Election Fraud.

2004-11-12 Thread Vincent Archer
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 01:49:04PM -0900, Leif Sawyer wrote: Sure, your representatives are telling you that they'll vote the way the popular vote goes, but they don't have to. Only the electoral vote counts. Didn't one of the Gore representatives in 2000 voted blank to protest something or

[Full-Disclosure] Re: Unofficial Internet Explorer FRAME/IFRAME fix

2004-11-12 Thread Raoul Nakhmanson-Kulish
Hello, Thomas Rogg! But I do not believe that $2,50 is a ridiciously high amount, is it? But I do not believe that pay $0, get Firefox and do not worry about next (and unpatched previous) IE issues is worse decision :) Seems that your patch is merely replacing original MSHTML.DLL with one

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Florian Streck
You are wuite right about this. But what should those users do whose Computers cannot update? I don't know if it's a common problem with sp2, but one of my co-workers has a windows box that starts downloading sp2 but stays at 0% . Even applying sp2 from a cd does not work. Florian Streck On Fri,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Colin . Scott
Oh yeah, I've got 14,000 Windows 2000 machines to update to windows XP SP2, hang on wheres that CD? So thanks for your infinate wisdom there Rafel. Colin. Rafel Ivgi,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: U.S. 2004 Election Fraud.

2004-11-12 Thread Vincent Archer
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 02:14:22PM -0500, WB wrote: If Kerry had thought he'd won, he'd be in court. Wrong. If Kerry had thought he could win quickly in court, he'd be in it. What he didn't want is a repeat of the 2000 Florida fiasco, which left Gore looking like a real sore loser without any

[Full-Disclosure] Re: Linux ELF loader vulnerabilities

2004-11-12 Thread Jirka Kosina
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Paul Starzetz wrote: Synopsis: Linux kernel binfmt_elf loader vulnerabilities Product: Linux kernel Version: 2.4 up to to and including 2.4.27, 2.6 up to to and including 2.6.8 And also 2.6.9. 3) bad return value vulnerability while mapping the program

[Full-Disclosure] [Advisory + Exploit] SlimFTPd = 3.15

2004-11-12 Thread class 101
In answer to r00t3d, Im not complaining , I just wants my words to be listened , that's done with or without you agreement , honestly, and sincerly what should I care of you ..., nothing , and I proove you it there, bye and to the next one r00t3d ; KOTIK sux ballz

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
If you do have 14000 machines why don't you buy Finjan's Vital Security For Web? It will filter all malicious I.E exploits for all its surfers(its a proxy, quite fast...) Or just use SUS(system update server (microsoft)) just like any other administrator... to install sp2 or to just replace

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
And what do you plan on doing about the unpatched exploited recently released? There are holes for SP2...ones that haven't even been released yet... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rafel Ivgi, The-InsiderSent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:44

[Full-Disclosure] RE: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked

2004-11-12 Thread mike lieman
Look at the difference between exit polling and actual results. The election results and exit polls differ, therefore you assume the election results are wrong? This is really dumb. There are endless reasons to believe that exit polls are inaccurate. For one thing, they're self-sampling: they

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
The first patch for ADODB.stream was just a killbit..and the killbit only stopped the current attack vector...in a manner of seconds, there was a second exploit that passed the so called first patch. Stupid, they think everything is as stupid as their main market. The problem with IE is its

Re: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread Jeff Donahue
Obviously this is usual, because the list is unmoderated... Either get a good AV or keep from clicking the executable attachments. ;) - Original Message - From: Stephen Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: [Full-Disclosure]

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Danny
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:27:52 -0500, Scott Leff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:18:55 -0500, Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, IE security needs work. Yes, Firefox is a great web browser. However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would it

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Colin . Scott
More infinate wisdom there Rafel. Price per license for Finjan's Vital Security for Web = 9.50GBP per user + 20% support per annum, roughly equates to 160,000GBP (plus any hardware, software and network requirements) to cover us with your no doubt class-leading product. I'm sure that the

[Full-Disclosure] Re: Web server http protocol version support

2004-11-12 Thread Maarten Van Horenbeeck
Hi Marc, In RFC 2616, describing version 1.1 of the Hypertext Transfer Protocol, it is described that the specification expects HTTP/1.1 servers to respond appropriately with a message in the same major version used by the client.However, this is not in compliance with another RFC, 2145,

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Unofficial Internet Explorer FRAME/IFRAME fix

2004-11-12 Thread Thomas Rogg
Hello Raoul, But I do not believe that $2,50 is a ridiciously high amount, is it? But I do not believe that pay $0, get Firefox and do not worry about next (and unpatched previous) IE issues is worse decision :) Yeah, sure. But there are always other programs that use the Internet Explorer

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Danny
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:50:45 -0500, David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:18:55 -0500 Danny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, IE security needs work. Yes, Firefox is a great web browser. However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
He can buy a product..or do a super fast rollout of SP2..but why should he? Microsoft should write better products...period. Everytime a Firefox exploit comes out..there is already a fix...is that magic? No..it is good coding... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Danny
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:22:26 -0600, Frank Knobbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 18:18, Danny wrote: However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would it really be that much more secure? Wrong question. It's part of the equation. May not be the

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Michael Evanchik
I disagree Colin, A good administrator knows there is more then one way to skin a cat. Rafel, I belive was just briefly stating some solutions to the problem. I can tell you windows protection can be defeated with a few registry changes. Combine that with an active directory login script and I

RE: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
Expect POC exploits, active internet worms, e-mail trojans, bad words and off topic messages...expect everything, trust nothing...Welcome to FD, enjoy your stay =) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Donahue Sent: Friday, November

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
Use SUS to install XP SP2 to 14,000 Windows 2000 machines? Somehow I think that will be problematic. Don't forget you have to be on a certain service pack to use SUS for Windows 2000, then change GPO to push the AU changes to each machine to even use SUS..and if you are a admin access, it

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread William Warren
not to mention the hundreds or thousands of pairs of eyes both helpful and harmful that look at the mozilla project's codebase. Todd Towles wrote: He can buy a product..or do a super fast rollout of SP2..but why should he? Microsoft should write better products...period. Everytime a Firefox

[Full-Disclosure] Re: I am new to the list and have some questions about Black Holes

2004-11-12 Thread n3td3v
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:17:32 -0800, Tony Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to the list and have some questions about Black Holes Tony Sit down and shut up, you'll learn more that way. Black holes? you mean outter space or security flaws? A slightly confused n3td3v Welcome to

Re: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread Andrew Smith
Interesting, i haven't noticed any. I guess gmail is picking them up? On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:44:44 -0300, Jeff Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously this is usual, because the list is unmoderated... Either get a good AV or keep from clicking the executable attachments. ;) -

Re: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:25:23 GMT, Andrew Smith said: Interesting, i haven't noticed any. I guess gmail is picking them up? Well, of *course* Google is picking them up - there's valuable data in them. :) Data mining at its best - Google can look at the forged From: and To: headers used by

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked

2004-11-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:53:59 CST, Paul Schmehl said: --On Thursday, November 11, 2004 02:22:18 PM -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least some of the machines used had active wireless on them Do you know this for a fact? Can you identify the states/locations where this was

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread n3td3v
Don't listen to these business wankers in suits, they'll say anything at high profile conferences to get extra claps. They have no idea what the reality is on the street. Thanks. n3td3v http://www.geocities.com/n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Unofficial Internet Explorer FRAME/IFRAME fix

2004-11-12 Thread Eric Paynter
On Fri, November 12, 2004 9:44 am, n3td3v said: I'm just wondering why the multi billion, mutli nation corporation of Microsoft hasn't released a patch yet. Isn't it obvious? They make no money by patching IE for Win2K. But they do make money if you go out and buy WinXP and apply SP2. So they

[Full-Disclosure] Re: Unofficial Internet Explorer FRAME/IFRAME fix

2004-11-12 Thread n3td3v
I'm just wondering why the multi billion, mutli nation corporation of Microsoft hasn't released a patch yet. The idea that they are waiting for next months patch release when we have countless worms/virii in the wild is totally irresponsible of whoever is in charge with patch release policy. Sure

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Todd Towles wrote: http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/2100-1032_ 3-5448719.html?part=dhttag=ntoptag=nl.e433 Vamos, who admitted he has never used Firefox, said there is a lot of hype surrounding the open-source movement and that if Microsoft's

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Danny
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 22:15:31 +0100, nicolas vigier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Danny wrote: Yes, IE security needs work. Yes, Firefox is a great web browser. However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would it really be that much more

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked

2004-11-12 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Thursday, November 11, 2004 02:22:18 PM -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least some of the machines used had active wireless on them Do you know this for a fact? Can you identify the states/locations where this was implemented? And how, pray tell, do you get paranoid enough to watch

[Full-Disclosure] probs with MS site

2004-11-12 Thread Heavner, Charlie
Anybody having problems getting to www.microsoft.com this afternoon?

[Full-Disclosure] Free Mail Services Not Responding

2004-11-12 Thread James Patterson Wicks
Our users are reporting that they cannot get to Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, GMail or any other public mail portal. Anyone else having this problem? This e-mail is the property of Oxygen Media, LLC. It is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that

RE: [Full-Disclosure] dab@heise.de

2004-11-12 Thread Bowes, Ronald (EST)
What sucks is that my email gateway strips out .exe, .com, etc. so I can't even intentionally infect myself if I wanted to. It would make my day more interesting when the Security office starts sending people worms :) -Original Message- From: Jeff Donahue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Fw: Will you lot PISS OFF? (Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked)

2004-11-12 Thread Matt . Carpenter
If you do not wish to participate, ignore it. Otherwise, get a clue. Perhaps not all of the discussion is security-related, but this last post you ranted about has everything to do with security. Physical and Technical security. While the claims which started the discussion are not

[Full-Disclosure] Seriously IE/FAME/BASHING

2004-11-12 Thread Eric Lauzon
Security dosent mean functionality. You have to make a choice. Like when you vote for an election. Now as with any os windows/IE will be secure if you cut down functionality. If you think everyone's windows desktop should be secured as lets say with irony, *bsd or linux or *nix even. (LOL

[Full-Disclosure] Administrivia: Fool Disclosure

2004-11-12 Thread Len Rose
I've been wanting to share this with people for a long time, as things wind down for me, I've (finally) decided to release this. http://www.netsys.com/images/fool-disclosure-logo.jpg ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:48:58 GMT, n3td3v said: Don't listen to these business wankers in suits, they'll say anything at high profile conferences to get extra claps. No, actually, you *DO* need to *listen* to them. That way, when your PHB comes in with another brain-dead

[Full-Disclosure] RE: Contact in HP related to OpenView / Coda

2004-11-12 Thread Arndt . WA
-Original Message- From: Noam Rathaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 11, 2004 17:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Contact in HP related to OpenView / Coda Hi, Does anyone know a point of contact in HP related to their OpenView / Coda

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:46:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oh yeah, I've got 14,000 Windows 2000 machines to update to windows XP SP2, hang on wheres that CD? 14,000 corporate windows boxes are easy enough to do - you can just use whatever fascist scheme you prefer to jam the update down their

[Full-Disclosure] TWiki search function allows arbitrary shell command execution

2004-11-12 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
VULNERABLE SOFTWARE VERSIONS TWiki http://twiki.org/ - TWiki 20030201 (e.g. Debian Sarge) - probably later versions - Subversion repository at http://ntwiki.ethermage.net:8181/svn/twiki/trunk at least until revision 3224 (including) ATTACK VECTORS HTTP GET requests towards the Wiki

Re: Fw: Will you lot PISS OFF? (Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked)

2004-11-12 Thread DanB UK
Hi, NO-ONE outside AMERICA gives a bloody SHIT about the American election crap! Keep it OFF LIST! FUCK THE HELL OFF! I don't think it's as simple as that. Yes the list should be for security related topics. And it has been boring me shit less the last few days/weeks. But the technology of

[Full-Disclosure] FW: probs with MS site

2004-11-12 Thread Heavner, Charlie
never mind. just found out that Time-Warner has a problem in our area. Northwest Piedmont North Carolina -Original Message-From: Heavner, Charlie Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:15 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: probs with MS site Anybody having problems getting to

RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Todd Towles
I don't know about you Rafel, but I know people in your company think XP SP2 is full of holes also. =) Ten new security holes in Windows XP Service Pack 2 have been discovered, so get ready to insert new patches into your patch management schedule. Microsoft recently announced their Security

[Full-Disclosure] Crash in Secure Network Messenger 1.4.2

2004-11-12 Thread Luigi Auriemma
### Luigi Auriemma Application: Secure Network Messenger http://www.networkmessengers.com/msg/ Versions: = 1.4.2 Platforms:Windows Bug: crash Exploitation: remote

RE: [Ring-of-Fire] [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread Eric McCarty
First off, this is 100% PR bullshit. The guy has never run Firefox, Opera, or anything other than IE. So he might as well say According to this piece of paper the PR people gave me, IE is as secure as any other Browser. The reality of the situation is that IE is not secure for the average home

[Full-Disclosure] RE: [Ring-of-Fire] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread R. DuFresne
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Eric McCarty wrote: First off, this is 100% PR bullshit. The guy has never run Firefox, Opera, or anything other than IE. So he might as well say According to this piece of paper the PR people gave me, IE is as secure as any other Browser. Or he read and was

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread WB
Do a search for reported vulnerabilities for IE and one for Netscape/Mozilla. I think by count alone IE will win. My biggest issue is that with a locked down system, IE can still install malware, when the user can't even install system patches. If MS could fix that, there would be fewer

Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: U.S. 2004 Election Fraud.

2004-11-12 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Thursday, November 11, 2004 02:21:23 PM -0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on your state/county/whatever, your vote did count a LOT LESS than other votes. It all depends on how many electoral college votes your state has. Is this what passes for logic? Every vote counts the same. You

Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox

2004-11-12 Thread nicolas vigier
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Danny wrote: Yes, IE security needs work. Yes, Firefox is a great web browser. However, if Firefox or any other browser had the same market share as IE, would it really be that much more secure? There sure would be a lot more people trying to find holes in Firefox if

Re: [Full-Disclosure] OT: U.S. 2004 Election Fraud.

2004-11-12 Thread marklist
--On Thursday, November 11, 2004 02:21:23 PM -0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on your state/county/whatever, your vote did count a LOT LESS than other votes. It all depends on how many electoral college votes your state has. Is this what passes for logic? Every vote counts the

Re: Fw: Will you lot PISS OFF? (Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked)

2004-11-12 Thread Steve Wray
DanB UK wrote: Hi, NO-ONE outside AMERICA gives a bloody SHIT about the American election crap! Keep it OFF LIST! FUCK THE HELL OFF! [snip] But on the most I concur, this list is NOT about the American election. I'm sure there are lists elsewhere for that. Actually, I use thunderbird and have a

Re: [Full-Disclosure] OT: U.S. 2004 Election Fraud.

2004-11-12 Thread Jason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry list, I just couldn't resist.. I couldn't either :-( *Electoral votes vs. Population [1] StatePopulation Votes Votes / M pop. - Alaska 648,818 34.624 Wyoming 501,242 35.985 Texas