Hey kids, whazup?
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God)
t...@hammerofgod.com wrote:
If you are still running Windows 95 that's your problem.
Nevertheless, if one runs Windows 7, here is the problem:
http://en.windows7sins.org/
Regards,
Marcio Barbado, Jr.
Oh my G!
I'm going to quote that site next time I get to help a *nix newbie figure
out permissions without sudo.
Seriously by that reason I could accuse linux users of exerting too much
freedom giving the allusion of godly control - which as you might have
guessed is a sin.
...unless you
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27:22AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
(Note that the esteemed Mr READ_THE_LIST_CHARTER overlooked unknown
knowns - that class
of stuff we don't realize or refuse to admit we actually *do* know:
ok, i know i am a writer not a reader (like a narcisist
On 18 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
In fact, this thread has inspired me to add a new section to the
Hammer of God website (currently undergoing major renovation)
Uh-huh... get a new version of Dreamweaver did we? :)
I just want to make sure you understand that *I* didn't
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On 18 May 2010 at 14:40, Thor (Hammer
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No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here.
No, I don't
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No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here.
No, I don't misunderstand: You said You may recall that last year, the
average annual growth rate of new threats (as defined by Symantec) was 243%.
This enabled me to predict
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Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I won't fall
for someone's hysteria from using windows.
By the way, I don't know you, but I would depend on the _fact_ that I've been
using a product without a hitch
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 08:49:29PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said:
Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the
oxygen in your machine.
The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be
snip
why
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No, It's Tim Mullen. No Bill here.
No, I don't misunderstand: You said You may recall that last year, the
average annual growth rate of new threats (as defined
On Tue, 18 May 2010 18:00:52 +0300, Georgi Guninski said:
why flame about constants about detectable malware when the world missed
100% of the undetectable malware? :)
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known
unknowns. That is to say, there are things that
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Happens they are completely unrelated stories. Also happens that I
won't fall for someone's hysteria
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2010 14:40:45 + Thor (Hammer of God)
t...@hammerofgod.com wrote:
What messages warning you from using Windows? I certainly hope you do not
have me confused with the OP – I already used the term “hysteria” to
describe his ideas and subsequent recommendations. The
Is my business at risk, if I
say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because
their hardware/software combination is no longer viable? I imagine
these questions are on the minds of many IT managers, and with a
chart on the wall showing 243% mutation, it is only reasonable that
On 16 May 2010 at 20:49, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
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On Sun, 16 May
On 17 May 2010 at 18:08, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
Is my business at risk, if I
say the wrong thing, and my customers go out of business because
their hardware/software combination is no longer viable?
In business, you are always exposed to some level of risk when you
charge for
On 17 May 2010 at 0:18, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said:
It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than
twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this
alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does
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This just gets better all the time. I have to admit, it was fun at
first, but now's I grow weary, mostly because this is just sad.
For you to actually think that one can't find out how
, especially as time passes,
that'll be just a blip before long.
Stu
On 15 May 2010 at 14:59, Christian Sciberras wrote:
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, 16 May 2010 19:08:26 +
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The error in your overall thesis is your failure to identify the difference
between threat and risk. You are interacting with Symantec's report of x
new threats as if it actually means something
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:49:00 BST, lsi said:
Malware is flooding at 243% (+/- error). This is consuming the
oxygen in your machine.
The basic error in your analysis is that although there may in fact be
243% more malware samples, that doesn't translate into 243% more oxygen
consumption.
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The error in your overall thesis is your failure
On Mon, 17 May 2010 03:48:36 BST, lsi said:
It is mutating at approx 243% per annum, a rate which is more than
twice as fast as Moore's Law (200% every 24 months). I do find this
alarming, because I want my CPU back. So does everyone else I know.
Unfortunately, you haven't shown that the
I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like
some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since
last year was %243, that this year would be %243. Wow. Really?
And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows are
On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 +
Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote:
And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows
are simply ignorant. If you are still running Windows 95 that's your
problem. Do a little research before post assertions based on 10 or
That kind of goes for everything, doesn't it?
T
On May 15, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Peter Besenbruch p...@lava.net wrote:
On Sat, 15 May 2010 14:40:29 +
Thor (Hammer of God) t...@hammerofgod.com wrote:
And for the record, these claims of 'inherent insecurity' in Windows
are simply
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I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like
some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since
last year was %243, that this year
An interesting point - Unicode?
I don't think 5Mb files are infeasible, especially as time passes,
that'll be just a blip before long.
Stu
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I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like
some sort of statistical
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Thor (Hammer of God)
t...@hammerofgod.com wrote:
I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself sound like
some sort of statistical genius because you were able to predict that since
last year was %243, that this year would be %243. Wow.
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Is that you, Bill?
I think you misunderstand. 9 months ago, I measured the growth rate at 243%,
using
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
As opposed to crowd sourcing, which some claim is inherently more
secure because more [uneducated] eyes review the source code?
There are far more educated eyes able to review the Linux source code
than the Windows source
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(reprise)
I am constantly amazed at posts like this where you make yourself
sound like some sort of statistical genius because you were able
to predict that since last year was %243, that this year would be
%243. Wow. Really?
And for the record, these claims
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Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com wrote:
This is
along the lines of, 'Linux does not get viruses' argument. Give me a
break...
I set up a dual boot arrangement on a friend's machine. The Windows
side promptly got infected. The guy was furious and blamed his
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On 16 May 2010 at 0:09, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
Just as I expected. A wishy
On 16 May 2010, at 04:06, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote:
Oh, one last thing - your dear Pegasus 4.51 Windows-based program that you
hypocritically hold on to while demonizing Windows and .NET was... wait for
it wait for it written with Visual Studio 2008 C++ - a proud
Microsoft
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This just gets better all the time. I have to admit, it was fun at first,
but now's I grow weary, mostly because this is just sad.
For you to actually think that one can't find out how much free drive
Hi All,
Sorry for the delay, I had some urgent migration planning to attend
to ... ;) Stats below. Short version: evacuate. Long version:
- stats are in, exponential curve is real, see it for yourself here:
All this shows is that there's exponential growth in the number of
*threats*. It doesn't give any data about the number of actual
*infections*. I mean, its quite possible that all these bits of malware
are just targeting the same group of vulnerable Windows boxen, and
they're just competing to
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All this shows is that there's exponential growth in the number of
*threats*. It doesn't give any data about the number of actual
*infections*. I mean, its quite possible that all these bits of malware
are just targeting the same group
On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:46:19 BST, lsi said:
- approximate date when number of NEW threats reached 1 Million: 2008
- approximate date when number of NEW threats will reach 1 Billion: 2015
- approximate date when number of NEW threats will reach 2 Billion: 2016
This is assuming an
And that's also ignoring the fact that you don't have to scan for things
that you know you're not exposed/vulnerable to. For example, I don't
take precautions against Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, because I know
it can't infect humans. I also don't take precautions against Ebola or
Smallpox
- approximate date when number of NEW threats will reach 1 Billion: 2015
This is assuming an exponential growth model, when there's no realistic
reason to believe it to be so.
The reason to believe the exponential model will remain valid, is
that it is the model that is currently valid.
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:09:55 BST, lsi said:
The biological metaphor does suggest that Microsoft would take some
kind of evasive action, and I think their only option is to license
unix, just as Apple did (although Apple did it for different
reasons). Doing this will solve many problems,
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:34:27 -0400 Paul Schmehl
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--On Friday, August 28, 2009 13:40:28 -0500 Rohit Patnaik
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To be fair, Linux has come a very long way in that regard. I
purchased
an Asus
of reinventing it.
Stu
On 28 Aug 2009 at 10:24, Rohit Patnaik wrote:
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I'm
/ Vienne
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I'm not sure I agree with the basic premise of this scenario. You're
suggesting that getting exposed to malware is some kind of
inevitability, and that eventually there will be enough different kinds
of malware that filtering them all
On 28 Aug 2009 at 10:24, Rohit Patnaik wrote:
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I'm not sure I
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I'm saying that the world's malware authors, in their race to stay
ahead of AV, are engaging in an uncoordinated, slow-motion DDOS of
the world's AV systems. They are flooding the blacklists, and this
flooding is accelerating. If it continues, the world's AV systems
will be useless, as will
Thanks for the comments, indeed, the exponential issue arises due to
use the of blacklisting by current AV technologies, and a switch to
whitelisting could theoretically mitigate that, however, I'm not sure
that would work in practice, there are so many little bits of code
that execute, right
I'm not sure I agree with the basic premise of this scenario. You're
suggesting that getting exposed to malware is some kind of
inevitability, and that eventually there will be enough different kinds
of malware that filtering them all will be impossible. I don't think
that's valid. Good
--On Friday, August 28, 2009 09:32:45 -0500 lsi stu...@cyberdelix.net wrote:
The world will awaken from the 20+ year nightmare that was Windows,
made possible only by manipulative market practices, driven by greed,
and discover the only reason it was wracked with malware, was because
it had
To be fair, Linux has come a very long way in that regard. I purchased
an Asus Eee 900 with Linux preinstalled, and everything worked right out
of the box. Flash, Java, OpenOffice, the works. It was a vindication of
my view that the real obstacle to Linux on the desktop isn't the user,
but
--On Friday, August 28, 2009 13:40:28 -0500 Rohit Patnaik quanti...@gmail.com
wrote:
To be fair, Linux has come a very long way in that regard. I purchased
an Asus Eee 900 with Linux preinstalled, and everything worked right out
of the box. Flash, Java, OpenOffice, the works. It was a
First off, I want to second what Rohit said below. I have a 901 and it
came that way as well. Granted I've hacked the shit out of it and now
it's running something else and very well at that, but by default they
are super easy machines to run. And everything just works.
Paul Schmehl wrote:
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