Re FW Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-03-01 Thread Durant
So Brad, I disagree, it is not the perks of the office meeting or a businessman's lunch that keeps capitalism going, it is the perverting of life to a language that defines reality as a competition which of course is reinforced with sciences current love affair with evolution. Let me

Re FW Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-28 Thread Thomas Lunde
This is in reply to Brad McCormick's posting in which he argues that "a more nuanced sociological inequity" is the real or more real reason that capitalism exists. It's an interesting thought. Yes, and what about the "mob" and "pirates", perhaps it would be better to just label them "illegal

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-28 Thread AR Gouin
My suggestion of starting the Basic Income with the 18-25 year old was hinting at a possible point of departure. Let them (our youth) do with it the way they see fit. I'm sure it couldn't be worst. Who knows, true "educators" might just emerge from such a crowd of liberated (financially) youths.

Re: FW Some hard questions about basic income

1998-02-27 Thread Tor Forde
Jim Dator wrote: Tor, my youngest son is in the midst of a year-long project on all things Norwegian--religion, sports, food, rosemailing, music, drama, even Olympic medals, it turns out--so he will find your words informative, as do I. But what happens even in Norway when the oil and

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Thomas Lunde
Excuse me if this is a reposting. -- Jim Dator wrote: But my concern is for those, who for whatever reason, do not want to be, or are unable to be, 'knowledge' workers. Will there be a place for them in our future economy? Sure, you can retrain many workers, but we need decent jobs

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Arthur Cordell
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thomas Lunde wrote: snip, snip, snip. I do not think our solution will come from industrialists or from politicians. I think our solution will come from re-educating the public to think of what they want and then to demand that in a way that those in power

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Durant
I do not think our solution will come from industrialists or from politicians. I think our solution will come from re-educating the public to think of what they want and then to demand that in a way that those in power become powerless to refuse. That education can come from a disaster

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Tom Walker
Arthur Cordell wrote, The change needed is profound. So profound that I have trouble finding a place to start (this especially now when children are being taught computer skills in kindergarten so they can become part of the new 'educated' workforce.) Actually, my four-year old is quite

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Arthur Cordell
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Durant wrote: I do not think our solution will come from industrialists or from politicians. I think our solution will come from re-educating the public to think of what they want and then to demand that in a way that those in power become powerless to

Re: Fw Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Dennis Paull
-- Hi all, [Thomas Lunde wrote...] Excuse me if this is a reposting. -- But my concern is for those, who for whatever reason, do not want to be, or are unable to be, 'knowledge' workers. Will there be a place for them in our future economy? Sure, you can retrain many workers,

RE: FW Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-27 Thread Thomas Lunde
Arthur Cordell wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thomas Lunde wrote: snip, snip, snip. I do not think our solution will come from industrialists or from politicians. I think our solution will come from re-educating the public to think of what they want and then to demand that in a way that

Re: FW Some hard questions about basic income

1998-02-26 Thread Jim Dator
Tor, my youngest son is in the midst of a year-long project on all things Norwegian--religion, sports, food, rosemailing, music, drama, even Olympic medals, it turns out--so he will find your words informative, as do I. But what happens even in Norway when the oil and fish run out? Or have the

Re: FW Some hard questions about basic income 1

1998-02-25 Thread Thomas Lunde
Brad wrote: IMO, this is the *key*. I seem to have lost the meaning of IMO which makes it hard to understand several of your messages. Sorry about the large print, this blankity blank program is not following it's set up or I don't know how to set it up. Grey hairs are multiplying.

Re: FW Some hard questions about basic income

1998-02-25 Thread pete
"Tor Forde" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: The problem about throwing money to everybody without expecting anything in return, is that this will throw some people into isolation. Society ought among other things to be moral relationships in which everybody is included. And to throw money at people

Re: FW Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-24 Thread Tor Forde
Thomas Lunde wrote: Dear Tor: I appreciate your posting and your eloquent comments about everyone wanting to contribute. I seem to recall when reading the FW archives that you tried to start a small business growing something in the sea and that you were forced to discontinue it because

Re: FW - Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-24 Thread Tor Forde
Tor Forde wrote: The danger that a Guaranted Annual Income is posing is that it can be a way to put people away. [snip] A Guaranteed Annual Income could be regarded as a kind of scholarship that lasted as long as it will take for people to be able to make it on their own. You know one

Re: FW Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-24 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Tor Forde wrote: Thomas Lunde wrote: Dear Tor: I appreciate your posting and your eloquent comments about everyone wanting to contribute. I seem to recall when reading the FW archives that you tried to start a small business growing something in the sea and that you were forced

Re FW - Some hard questions about basic income - 1

1998-02-24 Thread Thomas Lunde
This post is addressed to Elinor Mosher and Saul Silverman under the original thread. First let me thank you both for great answers and though I have read many of Galbraith's books and have found him excellent, I have not read this one - next trip to library. As to your answer Saul, great

Re: FW - Some hard questions about Basic Income 1

1998-02-22 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dear Tor: I appreciate your posting and your eloquent comments about everyone wanting to contribute. I seem to recall when reading the FW archives that you tried to start a small business growing something in the sea and that you were forced to discontinue it because you could not find

Re: FW - Some hard questions about Basic Income

1998-02-22 Thread Thomas Lunde
Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: And who will decide who is most deserving of death? Who is deciding now whether you get welfare or sleep on the street. Some person with a job of enforcing the criteria set out by legislation as to who is worthy or not. In Ontario, where I live, there are

Re: FW - some hard questions about Basic Income -1

1998-02-20 Thread pete
Jim Dator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Separating "work" entirely from access to goods and services, and permitting/enabling people to live meaningful, satisfied lives without "working" seems one of the biggest challenges of the present, and foreseable future. Trying to create more jobs is futile