The past provides the data from which scenarios of probable futures are
created. Science is the best process we have to calculate those
probabilities. I posted a long bibliography of hierarchies in ecology. You
are a scientist/technologist if I recall. An idealized social structure
that has
What you ignore is, that we are able to evaluate
which social structures can be more beneficial
for us in the future, and we have the capacity
to change our social structures inside of a few hundred years
rather then waiting for biological evolution taking it's
course through thousands of years.
Durant wrote: (responding to Jay)
What you ignore is, that we are able to evaluate
which social structures can be more beneficial
for us in the future,
The past provides the data from which scenarios of probable futures are
created. Science is the best process we have to calculate those
Jay Hanson wrote (in response to Eva):
We are not ** common herd animals with some
higher evolved race of scientists, Jay, wake up from
this irrational nightmare of yours.
To deny human hierarchy, is to deny what is before your eyes everywhere.
Hierarchy is part of every human
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From: Stephen Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, any and all relations can LOOK hierarchical IF you are
prepared or intending to see them that way. The question is: are
they REALLY hierarchical, and THAT requires more than looking.
Isn't it rather silly to expect
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From: Durant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Social structure is not the same as hierarchy.
You are not anti-communist, you are anti-democratic, you are a
supremacist madman, who sees humanity with contempt, who sees
humanity as chattel to be herded who sees humanity with less
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
share the same idea. What do you mean by "hierarchy"? I can only
guess at what you take "hierarchy" to be.
Hierarchy is the natural ordering among primates and many (all?) other
social animals. It's the dominant male
Guess what, science was also done by h u m a n s
and at least as long ago as god.
The human brain evolved to make patterns,
to generalise, to abstract, to imagine, etc,
as planning/picturing for the future proved to be an asset.
When there was not enough data, god and
superstition filled
Eva: I very much agree with what you've written. In any generation,
knowledge can only extend so far. Beyond that there is uncertainty and
speculation and, yes, the invention of gods. Religion is a way of
organizing uncertainty, and it can vary from the loony to the profound.
Keep up the good
Durant wrote:
REH
Never having lived in Marxist Communism I am sure that is true however:
Here we go again... Ray, nobody yet lived in Marxist Communism,
what's more, not one of the pseudo-socialist countries/ex-leaders claimed
that their countries were Marxist Communist. Not even
Eva,
Thanks for all of the work. You were very articulate and I enjoyed the read. If
your
premise is correct then the rest of that post is unnecessary. There are those in
every
movement who state that the original premise has been betrayed.I think the Free
Marketeers would say
...
No, I don't think that 19th century Socialism and Communism with its base in out
of date "scientific" theories is any better. These may as well base their
theories on Phrenology for all of the sense they make. They were all trying to
find their individuality by killing their Fathers.
I think the problem is the "we" and "them" situation, and I'm afraid
you were perceived as "them". Why should they do something boring,
when they could play? The low level computer skills that are on offer
on these courses are not getting you a job. (I've been there, done
it, got the
Christoph Reuss wrote:
Yeah, we creative types really dream of the end of 'wage slavery' !
I could spend years and years only with creative hobbies, NGO volunteering
and the Net, but alas, the 'job' work gets in the way most of the time.
However, in a part of the NGO work I got to know a
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