Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-04-01 Thread Durant
I agree completely. There has to be common programs, and a social safety net, simply because while I'm concerned about the welfare of people far from me, there is nothing I can do for them personally except to pay into programs designed to help them. However, there is a balance between

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-31 Thread Durant
At the moment we live in a capitalist society, where the market - whether "free" or not determines the value of things. I suggest you look for a more practical alternative Eva Sender:Dennis Paull [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do we value things and the people who make them? If I create

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-31 Thread Durant
I believe it's a matter of perspective. It depends a lot on the relative emphasis one gives to the personal versus the social, or the individual versus the collective. Caring for other people or animals in distress is, I believe, a very personal thing. If you intrude the social or

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-31 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Durant wrote: [snip] The problem in Russia is not that people "forgot how to care", but that they haven't got the means to care. Same as in the UK, if mental patiens are "released to the community" without the funding of future specialist care for them, a new layer of the destitute is

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-29 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Ed Weick wrote: Where in our economic system are personal efforts given value? Why can't we place a value on caring for an ill relative or a newborn child or a wild animal. Why would we want to place a social value on something that is so fundamentally personal? Ed Weick I would

FW Re: Automation and Jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-29 Thread Thomas Lunde
Dennis Paull wrote: How do we value things and the people who make them? Thomas: An 11 word question could take a book to answer. Perhaps if we assign the meaning to value in this context as appreciate, then we can say that if anyone appreciates something someone has made, then they have

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-29 Thread Ed Weick
Ed Weick wrote: Where in our economic system are personal efforts given value? Why can't we place a value on caring for an ill relative or a newborn child or a wild animal. Why would we want to place a social value on something that is so fundamentally personal? Brad McCormick

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-29 Thread David Burman
I think that with concerns for personal autonomy vis a vis the collective, especially given the "automated work" scenario that Rivkin proposes, local economic systems which include personal money become more important. Rather than deceptively simple concepts, personal money systems like LETS are

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-28 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Jack Cole wrote: Dennis Paull (automation engineer) wrote: I agree that management normally wins. But my concern is for those, who for whatever reason, do not want to be, or are unable to be, 'knowledge' workers. Right on, Dennis! I've often thought that an initiative to redefine

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-28 Thread Dennis Paull
Hi all, Sender:Dennis Paull [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do we value things and the people who make them? If I create a thing of beauty ( a device, painting, park, poem, music, building, playground, etc.) and a million people enjoy it, but only one person chooses to buy it, what is its value?

Re: automation and jobs (minds and hands)

1998-03-28 Thread Ed Weick
Where in our economic system are personal efforts given value? Why can't we place a value on caring for an ill relative or a newborn child or a wild animal. Why would we want to place a social value on something that is so fundamentally personal? Ed Weick