The end of work?

1998-11-21 Thread Ed Weick
As several people have pointed out, the idea that work could end for a large proportion of human society has been around for a very long time. But might it really? Lets think about it. Technological development has probably always been a two stage process. The first stage involved finding

holism and holarchies : Re: Theobald's Latest Message

1998-11-21 Thread Heiner Benking
we have seen DEE HOCK at last years STATE OF THE WORLD FORUM and have asked KEN WILBER on his FORUM and QUESTION board repeatedly about sources, so far to not avail. As I am not in the habit of getting tired, instead I ask again and again, and this time want to share with you my latest asking

Re: FW: Re: Views on Rifkin's theory

1998-11-21 Thread Brian McAndrews
Tom, we could have some fun here finding the oldest comments on these matters. I was working with a student yesterday; we were finding contemporary situations similar to those describe by some of the prophets in the Hebrew(old) Testament. Amos and Isaiah had some interesting concerns. Regards,

chaordic structures

1998-11-21 Thread Jay Hanson
- Original Message - The other question is whether the upswing in energy around Y2K and funddamental change will lead to attempts of various people/organizations to centralize energy flows or whether we shall be wise enough to set up decentralized/chaordic structures.

Re: Views on Rifkin's theory?

1998-11-21 Thread Ed Weick
Caspar Davis: Rifkin seems to want to bring the volunteer sector into the market economy. I think we need to free people from the market so that they can get on with the real work that needs to be done. This is largely what happened in aboriginal and even medieval society. It took much less than

Re: chaordic structures

1998-11-21 Thread Colin Stark
At 07:13 AM 11/21/98 -1000, Jay Hanson wrote: http://www.cascadepolicy.org/dee_hock "By Chaord, I mean any self-organizing, adaptive, nonlinear, complex community or system, whether physical, biological or social, the behavior of which exhibits characteristics of both order and chaos. Or, more

Re: working hours-visions

1998-11-21 Thread Thomas Lunde
Robert wrote: I'd like to ask you all for your visions for the development of the regular amount of working hours in the next 5, 10, 20 years! Thomas: It will depend on subsistence. If we become owners of intelligent robots, we may evolve into a non working environment, the best of the

Re: FW: Re: Views on Rifkin's theory

1998-11-21 Thread Tom Walker
Brian, Agreed. I'm currently reading Thomas Mann's _Joseph and his Brothers_. Tom, we could have some fun here finding the oldest comments on these matters. I was working with a student yesterday; we were finding contemporary situations similar to those describe by some of the prophets in the

Re: Views on Rifkin's theory

1998-11-21 Thread Melanie Milanich
Victor, I wanted to respond to your message. I think that there is a much broader movement underway that just that a machine eliminates a job. Technology has also eliminated the concept of permanent, full-time employment with full benefits, security and the expectation of raises, increased