with other
parts of the program. The work has been automated to some extent by software
that will search for date fields, but it still has to be checked manually.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne Pat Gottlieb
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employment that pays a living wage, I think there are too
few jobs and all too likely to be even fewer in the future.
Possibly this is such an obvious topic that it was hashed out before I
joined the list, but I would be interested in reading other people's views
on Rifkin's theories.
Victor Mi
e
achieved a world where people are looking for work because they want a task
that fits their measure and not because they need the money. By the way, if
you solve it in the near future (before I reach retirement age) let me know
as I have been seriously underemployed for the past 12 years!
Regards,
Vi
an hour workers and a lot of $50 an hour consumers
purchasing their products. It can work for a few, but as soon as a
significant number jump in, it becomes a pyramid scheme and collapses.
Victor Milne
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s there much hope that the nations could be brought to act in concert;
too many will think their advantage lies in cooperating with the insanity of
the money men.
The most Iikely outcome I foresee is that the Lamborghini driver will round
a curve very soon and run into a brick wall before he can stop.
A professor once cautioned a class I was in
(many years ago) that yes but means no. I am saying
yes but.
-Original Message-From:
Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
Futurework [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date:
October 23, 1998 10:20 AMSubject: Re: DANGEROUS
CURRENTS
Victor Milne:
snip
Do you
ps
to time the cycles or is it still just a mechanical timer?
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne
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-Original Message-
From: Th
ly looking forward
to retirement to deliver me from this dreary job in about five years time,
but occasionally worrying that I may be involuntarily delivered before I can
afford it.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne
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posting on this list
mentioned that George Soros is bankrolling some efforts in that direction.
It could happen that our democracy could become ... more democratic. Ranting
at people that they have to set up a scientocracy is asking for the
impossible to happen.
Victor Milne
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nd prosper
Victor Milne Pat Gottlieb
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: list futurework [EMAIL PROTE
ing for the masses.
I realize that the wealthy can make a lot of paper money just by speculating
on currency differentials or other arcane instruments, but surely there has
to be a real world economy behind those things too.
Any comments from the economists on this list?
Victor Milne
FIGHT THE BAS
I wouldn't worry too much about it, Steve. Canadian Military Intelligence
also investigated the Raging Grannies, a group of senior citizens who sing
at protest events.
-Original Message-
From: Steve Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: futurework [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: January 04, 1999 8:30 PM
Many members of this list would probably be interested in a RealAudio
interview with Ronnie Dugger, founder of Alliance for Democracy, which aims
to end corporate domination.
http://www.webactive.com/webactive/radionation/
Victor Milne
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nd prosper
Victor Milne
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le association of ideas, which would
lead to the assumption that some languages would be more "primitive" than
others.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne Pat Gottlieb
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LONESOME ACRES RIDIN
o are
reasonably well-balanced to elect governments that promote the real
long-term interests of citizens, and as we gradually get a better society,
it will produce fewer people who are emotionally screwed up.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne Pat Gottlieb
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in the factory where I work.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne Pat Gottlieb
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Good article:
Having a single service centre for the whole continent is not necessarily
very efficient, because the people answering the calls don't have a clue
about the local situation. My son used to work for Gandalf (large Canadian
computer networking company, which has since gone bankrupt).
to the air conditioning
system and finish the last few items in the job.
Victor Milne
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point to talking about productivity?
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne
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DDT - DON'T DO TELEMARKETING
at http
Toronto Star, July 6, 1999
Thomas Walkom
If the economy is so rosy, why arethings so grim?
THE ECONOMIC boom, we aretold, continues. Productioncontinues to
grow; the stockmarket is rocking. Asia isbouncing back and the
big,powerful U.S. economic enginechugs along in one of thelongest
se to a replicator.
I would not suggest, however, that such an advance would mean we could stop
worrying about world population.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne
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I thought I might as well wait for Ed to reply on this topic.
As Ed and others know, I believe Rifkin's central thesis is correct, that
technology is reducing the number of available jobs in the long run. I'm
much more dubious about his proffered remedy of the "third sector" or
"volunteerism" as
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From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Ritchie [EMAIL PROTECTED];
'futurework' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 15, 1999 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jeremy Rifkin - 1-6-99
[snip]
I simply do not agree with Victor's view that "many ele
If any value including justice is made an absolute with no limitations, we
end up with a mess of insoluble complications, and much of what is
ultimately solvable benefits the lawyers far more than the victims, as Ed
Weick notes.
Is there such a thing as collective guilt? Are all whites legally
I read the article too. I think the clause "if the current ratio of jobs to
residents stays constant" is an awfully big "if" given the forecasts of
Rifkin and others to the effect that technology will decrease the net number
of jobs available. I also noticed that the big vacancies were predicted
Those lucky Asians! Their economic crisis is over. The
business press is telling us so.
Note the last sentence for modern capitalism's definition of a
sound economy.
From the Toronto Star, Sept. 21, 1999
A year ago, the Asian economic flu was rampant and everyone
was heading for
One fact can't be ignored: Workfare's a
failure
``Practical politics consists in ignoring
facts.''
- The Education of Henry Adamsby Henry
Brooks Adams, 1907
ABOUT
A YEAR before the last Ontario election, communications aides in the Harris
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From: Christoph Reuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: September 26, 1999 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: workfare
| Victor Milne forwarded:
| One fact can't be ignored: Workfare's a failure
| [...]
| How many among us have ever actually
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From: Christoph Reuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 09, 1999 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: 35 hour week
[snip]
|
| As Henry George said in his typically cogent fashion: "Why
| are people looking for jobs? Why aren't jobs looking for
| people?"
|
|
and look after his wife.
Victor Milne
dirt-cheap to their own slaughterhouses.
Live long and prosper
Victor Milne
FIGHT THE BASTARDS! An anti-neoconservative website
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nathan Swift
charged with cannibalism ("A Modest Proposal") and blasphemy ("An argument
against abolishing Christianity").
Personally I find the idea of you setting yourself up as a Commissar of
Coherent Thought quite chilling.
Victor Milne
- Original Message -
From: Tim Rourk
re's an endless list of things that could
and should be reformed by a government of the people, by the people, for the
people.
Regards.
Victor Milne
it
is not very easy to teach someone how to read via the Internet, this is the
last word I am saying on the subject.
Victor Milne
Is "Krystallnacht" really an appropriate word to apply
to what happened in Seattle? Of course I wasn't
there, so maybe it *is* entirely apposite. But
my guess, so far, is it isn't.
No, not particularly, as far as I know. Ed Weick said the broken windows
made him think of Krystallnacht,
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From: Bruce Leier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 13, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle
sniped from V. Milne: 12/11/99 post:
I do think your point about the dangers of
demonizing
- Original Message -
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Victor Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 13, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Krystallnacht in Seattle
Ed,
In a parallel posting directed at Tim Rourke I've indicated that I agree
with your main point about
I don't think this resolution is at all hypocritical. It is generally the
well-to-do, well-educated class that is most aware of ecological concerns.
By the way, the fact that the US population is growing so rapidly compared
to other developed countries is probably because there is a large number
"Working homeless shatter old stereotypes" - Toronto Star,
Dec. 21/99 - not in online edition
Forty-four per cent of homeless people in the United States
have some sort of job according to the latest statistics from U.S. Department of
Housing and Urban Development.
In its rush to create
A few months ago I started playing with the idea of
an absolutely universal basic income. I deliberately have not read any of the
literature on it (like Sally's book) so that I could work out the ramifications
of this idea without being influenced (or discouraged) by previous thought on
Hmm, didn't all this mess develop after the government aggressively adopted
a business model for its operations?
- Original Message -
From: Timework Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 21, 2000 10:51 AM
Subject: Perception problems at Human Resources Development
It came to all subscribers. I'm assuming this nutbar sent out his plea to
hundreds or thousands of e-mail addresses. Maybe there's some software for
doing this? I wouldn't worry too much unless his messages keep re-appearing.
Victor
- Original Message -
From: Sabita Ramlal [EMAIL
I am by no means a communist or socialist, but this looks like
propaganda-sriven tunnel vision to me. Comments follow.
- Original Message -
From: Harry Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ray E. Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harry Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Steve Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Thanks, Ray, for your very interesting and detailed information, both on
lead poisoning and on Russian immigrants. You did fail to mention one
important group among the Russians. Shall we call them the entrepreneurial
group? I mean the ones whose presence caused the Toronto police to set up a
Could someone on the list (maybe Ed Weick?) tell me the basis
for the official unemployment stats? Are they just the number of people
collecting EI benefits calculated as a percentage of the total work force, or do
they use some other method of determining the number of people "actively
Ambrose Bierce wrote "The Devil's Dictionary." My personal
favourite in it is "Puritanism, the linger fear that someone, somewhere might be
enjoying himself."
It occurred to me that it might be fun and useful to write "A
Devil's Dictionary of Economics" especially for the "motherhood" words
- Original Message -
From:
Bob
McDaniel
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: February 11, 2000 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: The Bill of Gates
fallacy
[snip]
In this way may evolve a rationale for paying people for consuming. This is
where some similarity with the
forget about systems where the consumer does
as much work as the displaced employee. We need those jobs for people at the
low end of the skills spectrum.
- Original Message -
From: Cordell, Arthur: #ECOM - COMÉ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Victor
Milne [EMAIL
This is a little off topic for our list, but I wonder if any of you could
send me some suggestions for finding some data.
I would like to make some comparisons between our social programs in Canada
and those in Western Europe (Scandinavia, Netherlands, Germany, France,
etc.)
I'm interested
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