Clarification ...
I wrote:
then no animal can defend its
property. ...
But should have written:
then no animal can defend its 'property' because it never
has property to defend; it only has what it wants that it
can obtain and hang onto despite the incursions of others
...
Stephen
In my 48 year teaching career, I started in thermodynamics, progressed through
psycho-analysis, then the character study of Gestalt work, Somatic studies and
laryngeal bio-mechanics and the therapy methods of the latter 25 years of the
20th century. But a funny thing happened on the way
Trouble with fixes, Harry, is that those who apply them
always think they are the right ones.
Ed
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From:
Harry Pollard
To: 'Ed Weick' ; 'Ray Evans Harrell' ; 'Keith
Hudson'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:37
PM
Said on the spur of the moment, Harry. I tend to
get a little emotional about Bush and his administration. They lied their
way into the Iraq war, saying it was about WMDs and connections with Al
Qada. They are holding hundreds, perhaps thousands, of young men in Cuba
and elsewhere without
Although I'd have to read a lot of history to really
feel secure about it, my gut feeling is that we seriously started to go off the
rails with Brian Mulroney, Prime Minister from 1984 to 1993, whose government
engineered NAFTA (1982). If you recall, Mulroney got on rather well with
Ronald
Thanks Stephen,
Here is an article from the NYTimes today that makes the same point about
corporate Productivity when it comes to things that make us healthy or
wise. Note that the person writing the article is a Not-for-profit
corporate executive since common sense is rarely productive or even
Keith said:
But wealth always has done done ever since the institution of agriculture.
And the difference in wealth between the rich and the poor was far wider than
today. The poor were not just poor but chattels and slaves. The same applies to
the disparity of wealth in early
Keith Hudson replied:
Scientists and intellectuals could
cripple a nation that became dominated by Fundamentalists.
While I certainly wish Keith was right on this one, I'm afraid he's way
too optimistic.
You might be right (at least in the short-to-medium term). One telling
argument
Harry Pollard wrote:
The New Internationalist is, of course, noted for its left wing
anti-market stance. I used to subscribe but got tired of its bias.
Does that automatically make it wrong what they said about Ricardo?
Next thing you'll say is that Pierre Pettigrew also has a leftist bias...
If
group A is 2x better off than originally
But
group B is 4x better off than originally
and
group C is 10x better off than originally(well...you get the
idea...)
is the
whole community better off?? In some ways yes and in other ways
no.
arthur
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Chris,
You are right of course. That is what is happening over here these days.
REH
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Caveman Trade vs. Modern Trade
REH wrote:
We may not be as bad as feudal aristocracy but Democracy and the Market was
supposed to be better than Socialism for everyone not just less bad than
Feudalism.
Neo-con capitalism comes awfully close to feudalism (inheritance of
title influence is simply replaced by inheritance of
I love my urban sinkhole.
REH
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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [Futurework] Private health care (was E.European...)
But aren't the urban
"Better off" is an interesting phrase.
Sort of goes along with "lowered expectations."
REH
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You are right of course and I loved your George II is visiting Elizabeth
II...
But don't you know he's just hometown boy from Crawford?
REH
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From: Christoph Reuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Slightly
An economist has written to me to say that, in coining a new
term, status goods, I've re-invented the wheel. He suggests that
what I say about status goods has been said before about positional goods
-- as originally enunciated by Fred Hirsch in his seminal book, Social
Limits to Growth (1976).
Let's
say better off equals more money, more income. If income is rising but at
the same time inequalities are rising even faster.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 10:09
AMTo: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL
Arthur Cordell wrote:
If group A is 2x better off than originally
But group B is 4x better off than originally
and group C is 10x better off than originally(well...you get the idea...)
is the whole community better off?? In some ways yes and in other ways no.
It's more like...
If group
Having glanced through it rather quickly when it
was first posted, Ive just reread Stephen Strakers piece on Hobbes. I
must say Ive never felt comfortable with Hobbes articulation of man in the
"state of nature". It depicts man as solitary, acting only to satisfy
himself, being nothing
Harry Pollard wrote:
The 'half of all marriages ending in divorce' isn't so.
I've forgotten the real figures but that doesn't matter. I'll just
example some.
Say their are 40 million marriages. Also, let's say that this year there
are 100,000 marriages and 50,000 divorces. This leads to the
Posted in red
and white above each of the customer copiers at Office Depot,
suburbs of
Portland, Oregon, first noticed Sunday pm Nov 23, 2003:
NOTICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS
During this time of national emergency we will report any and all
suspicious or questionable activity
Heres a
thought for a Monday morning, from another list, shared with me and then to
you.
This seems to
reinforce that a computer and cell phone are not status goods but part of a master-slave relationship.
We have the
Consumption Economy, The New Economy, The Restorative Economy, The
Something that has always puzzled me about Hobbes:
In what way does the writing he does profit him? In
what way does the fact of his being a writer, philosopher, generator of ideas,
support and validate the philosophy he writes about?
Selma
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From:
Ed
Good
posting.
We
have people commuting robot-like to work in cars, buses or subways only to sit
down at a computer screen and continue in the same robot-like way, except of
course when they go for a walk and then yell into their cell phones at their
"friends" or colleagues.
The
Keith,
You have fallen into the ad hominem trap - you attacked
the messenger. Now, how about the three over-glib
assumptions?
I've read the Economist for umpteen years. It's a good
paper. So is the FT which I look at rarely - even though a long time friend is
editor.
Now, again, how
Chris,
You thought, for some reason the Pettigrew quote was significant
when actually it says nothing. It was:
In Ricardo's time, however, the factors of production were
essentially
immobile. This is no longer the case.
In the new economy, all the decisive factors -- trade,
production,
Bill,
I'm simply saying the "half of marriages end in
divorce" based on (say) 100,000 are wed and 50,000 are divorced
iswrong.
That's all. It's another statistic with the credibility
of the GNP, or import/export figures - in other words, no credibility at
all.
Harry
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And I would take issue with you that we are now the same as we were
100/200,000 years ago. Stephen Mithen of the University of Reading, as
one example, argues that until about 70K to 80K years ago, our brains
were relatively compartmentalized;
Does more income equal Happiness, fulfillment,
realization of human potential, community responsibility, good parenting,
historical significance?
How many of the Di Medicis would you have
remembered if it wasn't for Benvenuto Cellini and the other artists who did
things in exchange for
Harry Pollard wrote:
Chris,
You thought, for some reason the Pettigrew quote was significant
when actually it says nothing. It was:
...
Consequently, the effects
of tree trade are no longer necessarily positive for everyone.
How about?
...
Consequently, the effects
of tree trade are
Harry, you are correct if you consider ever divorced, viz:
Young Adults Were Postponing
Marriage
_
The proportion of
divorced persons increased markedly at
the national level in
recent decades, but the increases were
not the same for all
areas of the country. In fact, by 1990,
sharp
Harry,
If you look at the percentage of new marriages in 1997 that end in divorce,
the figure according to US stats, is 50%.. http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsUS.shtml
(2000 except where
noted)
Marriage
Divorce:
Total
Bill,
Thanks for the posting. It will go into my archives. I had the figures
once, but they seem to have disappeared.
My point is still valid, for it refers to the context of these
statements, whose intention is to show that the structure is breaking
down.
I suppose I could declare "Don't
Ray,
You'll note that I mentioned "taking time off from the
chorale".
It's fun to hear of your past experience, but that
isn't the point. Are you now wearing underwear you made yourself? Did you make
the podium from which you conduct? (Maybe you did!)How about the recording
and amplifying
Found this in the OpEd pages of the Washington Post. Challenges a few myths. - KWC
Quote: In
his comprehensive book Not-God: A History of Alcoholics Anonymous,
Ernest Kurtz notes that two conflicting impulses have been internalized in
Western cultures -- Enlightenment secularism and its
dont you
have to take challenge the myths, of prosperity, of the bootstrap, of a secure
middle-class?
A New Kind Of Poverty
Anna Quindlen in Newsweek, Dec 1st
issue
Winter flits in and
out of New York City in the late fall, hitching a ride on the wind that whips
the Hudson River. One
Karen,
Thanks. Fascinating.
Keith
At 18:03 24/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Found
this in the OpEd pages of the Washington Post. Challenges a few
myths. - KWC
Quote: In his comprehensive book
Not-God: A History of Alcoholics Anonymous, Ernest Kurtz
notes that two conflicting impulses have been
First of all, apologies again that my last posting
Status goods and positional goods escaped my PC before it
could be corrected. Tidied up version on my website for anybody who might
be interested.
Also, I must correct an impression that Harry is giving of me to
Ray:
At 17:21 24/11/2003 -0800,
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