[Futurework] Re: Hobbes

2003-12-05 Thread Stephen Straker
Sorry to be so long replying on Hobbes. I have been meditating a decent response. Ed says: ... I must say I’ve never felt comfortable with Hobbes’ articulation of man in the state of nature. It depicts man as solitary, acting only to satisfy himself, being nothing more than an organic

[Futurework] Hobbes / PS

2003-12-05 Thread Stephen Straker
[I want to rewrite two short paragraphs at the end in order to emphasize that we are not *necessarily* acting alone in trying to being down a regime we believe must be destroyed.] Does this mean there can be no grounds for revolution? no such thing as a bad king who *therefore* ought not to be

RE: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Cavema n Trade vs. Modern Trade

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Hudson
Arthur, At 16:16 04/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: As my colleague who was born in India says, the first picture of a Canadian child dying with a distended belly will be the spark that ignites governments to end this current (farcical) set of activities. There will be no starvation in Canada. There

[Futurework] Mainly for Harry

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Hudson
Gerard Baker wrote an article last week in the FT mainly talking about Bush and American politics (if I remember rightly). A letter in today's FT refers: We all want a smarter man at the top From Mr. Derek Roper Sir, Gerard Baker ( 'This the season to loathe the president, December 4) writes:

Re: [Futurework] The poverty of nation-states

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Hudson
Tor, At 00:59 05/12/2003 +0100, you wrote: The essay says: Similarly, Norway's supposedly separate rainy-day fund, financed from oil and gas revenues, was raided in 2001 to meet immediate budgetary pressures It is wrong. It si decided that not more money shall be taken from the fund than goes

[Futurework] Whoops, Whampoa!

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Hudson
So far, Li Ka-shing, an Hong Kong billionaire has not made his money by growing business but by buying and selling them. He started life by selling plastic flowers in the street. Presumably he then bought the plastic flower stall next to him, sold it at a profit, and so on. He is now one of the

Re: [Futurework] The poverty of nation-states

2003-12-05 Thread Tor Førde
Norway has now a conservative governement, and it might last until the next election, but it has lost most og its support; the conservative party is down to 16% on the gallups, and its two partners are also reduced to half of what they got in the election. But they are spending oilmoney

Re: [Futurework] Re: Hobbes

2003-12-05 Thread Selma Singer
I guess my question has to do with Hobbes's basic sense of human nature. If, as I understand him, he believes that our nature is to act only in our self-interest, and if that self interest has to do only with our physical and material preservation, why would he care to inform us, as Stephen has so

Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Caveman Trade vs. Modern Trade

2003-12-05 Thread Ed Weick
Title: Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Caveman Trade vs. Modern Trade As I said. There is no incentive to change. I hate to say it but food banks are part of the problem. arthur But what's the solution? People that use the foodbanks are not activists. Most have

[Futurework] Re: Hobbes

2003-12-05 Thread Ed Weick
Thank you, Stephen. It makes one think about the darkness that Hobbes was trying to penetrate. I have a PBS video on the life of Napoleon that I watched the other night. What struck me was how quickly a people who, on the basis of the equality and rights of all men, beheaded a king, shifted

[Futurework] Coal in their stockings

2003-12-05 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Three from Center for American Progress, Dec. 05, 2003. COAL IN THE STOCKINGS: With only twenty shopping days left until Christmas, disappointing retail sales have suggested to many analysts that this shopping season may not be as good as some retailers hoped a month or two ago. And the

Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Cavema n Trade vs. Modern Trade

2003-12-05 Thread Ed Weick
Keith: A BI sounds wonderful but it is a theoretical solution that runs absolutely counter to human nature. Human society is about relative status. Not only human society, but primate society. And not only primate society but any social mammalian society. We really need to

Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Cavema n Trade vs. Modern Trade

2003-12-05 Thread Christoph Reuss
Ed Weick wrote: Status may be very important in American and European society, but I've dealt with small societies in northern Canada in which a person's importance depended on what he or she could do for the community. A modern example of that is the Open Source programming community. As

[Futurework] Soviet America?

2003-12-05 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
So, would America be doing such a thing if there was still a cold war and we had to put on a pretty face for the rest of the world compared to the terrible KGB and Soviet detention?We should have seen this coming when the Republicans began to write their House bills in Soviet Agit-prop

Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Cavema n Trade vs. Modern Trade

2003-12-05 Thread Keith Hudson
Ed, At 14:31 05/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: Keith: A BI sounds wonderful but it is a theoretical solution that runs absolutely counter to human nature. Human society is about relative status. Not only human society, but primate society. And not only primate society but any social mammalian

[Futurework] Sociopaths

2003-12-05 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Harry won't understand it and Keith will but I'm going to post it anyway. I'm still dealing with Reagan's tax program in the arts. This Republican program can reduce us to the point where nothing matters. We will become just as sociopathic as they are. REH December 5, 2003OP-ED

RE: [CI] RE: [Futurework] Future Teaching

2003-12-05 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Don Cameron wrote: Hi Franklin, I notice you are posting to half-a-dozen list-servs plus a few individuals simultaneously... this is possibly why I have no idea what the background to your post is (even though it sounds like it might be interesting)... could you

Re: [Futurework] Soviet America?

2003-12-05 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Ray Evans Harrell wrote: So, would America be doing such a thing if there was still a cold war and we had to put on a pretty face for the rest of the world compared to the terrible KGB and Soviet detention?We should have seen this coming when the Republicans began to write their House bills

[Futurework] http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/

2003-12-05 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Volkswagen is advertising a new factory in Dresden, with the theme of: transparency See: http://www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/ You will probably guess that this idea appeals to me, along with the location of the factory in Dresden (why couldn't they have built it in Newark NJ USA, or maybe even

Re: [Futurework] A glimpse of medieval Hangzhou and the Song civilisation

2003-12-05 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Harry Pollard wrote: Brad, George suggested in his Law of Human Progress that the Progress of Civilization depended on Association in Equality. In my courses I use the more positive term cooperation rather than association but I think association is better. Equality doesn't mean we are all the

Re: [Futurework] Hear No Evil See no Evil...

2003-12-05 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
In 1980 I was at a party in the home of a prominent physicist at Los Alamos New Mexico. They were all talking about the efficacy of Nuclear power and how they could build a perfect power plant but not perfect people to run it. It was an "in" joke for the yahoos. One turned to me and asked