RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-19 Thread Bruce Leier
: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:59 PM To: Bruce Leier; 'Ray Evans Harrell'; 'Karen Watters Cole'; 'Keith Hudson' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools Bruce, A New York bank decided to set up a program to hire minority kids. They were ill-educated, so the bank set up a program

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-18 Thread Harry Pollard
Watters Cole; Keith Hudson; Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Collapsing schools Ray, You'll recall my division of knowledge into two - the knowledge of truths and the knowledge of things. Things have to be taught, but it's better if kids are taught how to teach

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-17 Thread Bruce Leier
: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:38 PM To: Ray Evans Harrell; Karen Watters Cole; Keith Hudson; Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Collapsing schools Ray, You'll recall my division of knowledge into two - the knowledge of truths

Re: Collapsing schools

2002-07-15 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, You'll recall my division of knowledge into two - the knowledge of truths and the knowledge of things. Things have to be taught, but it's better if kids are taught how to teach themselves. They should learn how to learn. The knowledge of truths is really an appreciation and

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-15 Thread Harry Pollard
Bruce, We have something in California (and probably elsewhere) called Charter Schools. These are allowed somewhat to run their own affairs. In the San Fernando Valley, a charter school did such a good job they had a million dollars unused at the end of the year with no drop in results. Of

Re: Collapsing schools (Can we leave the dead to bury the dead?)

2002-07-15 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Harry Pollard wrote: [snip] Competition for students between schools will inevitably lead to better schools. Parents will not want their kids to go to inadequate schools so, given the choice, their vouchers - or whatever - will go to the schools that succeed. [snip] Perhaps this is the

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Bruce Leier
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools At 10:32 28/06/02 -0500, you wrote: Keith, I do not think it impossible to maintain standards in public schools. Tough, but not impossible. The 1st step would be to stop trying to be business-like. The corporate model cannot work in an education

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Keith Hudson
Bruce, (BC) I do not think it impossible to maintain standards in public schools. Tough, but not impossible. The 1st step would be to stop trying to be business-like. The corporate model cannot work in an education setting. I hope you recognize that. (KH) I don't recognise that. Unless you

Re: Collapsing schools -- the business model works

2002-07-07 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
To: Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools At 10:32 28/06/02 -0500, you wrote: Keith, I do not think it impossible to maintain standards in public schools. Tough, but not impossible. The 1st step would be to stop trying to be business-like

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Karen Watters Cole
. Karen Watters Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:55 AM To: Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools Bruce, (BC) I do not think it impossible to maintain standards

RE: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Bruce Leier
of the world. Gotta keep 'em happy at McDonalds. Bruce Leier -Original Message- From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:55 PM To: Bruce Leier Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Collapsing schools Bruce, (BC) I do not think it impossible

RE: Collapsing schools -- the business model works

2002-07-07 Thread Bruce Leier
Brad, Ahh? Your point??? Is??? Bruce Leier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brad McCormick, Ed.D. Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:41 PM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Collapsing schools -- the business model works

Re: Collapsing schools

2002-07-07 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
How does profit for the bosses undermine the goals of education? Don't students also profit from the process? Keith Keith, what a strange statement.How does having less money make more profit for a student?My father always said that budgets for students were truly impossible since

Re: Collapsing schools -- the business model works

2002-07-07 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Bruce Leier wrote: Brad, Ahh? Your point??? Is??? [snip] I gave this question some thought, and, amazingly enough, I came up with a succinct answer that I think gets to the point: First, let us all agree that formal education in America, whether at the public high school level or at