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I might accept it. But my view of my
place in the social structure of this particular workplace would change.
I would think less of things.
Everybody is better
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If group A is 2x better off than
originally
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Arthur,
In all ways
they are better off.
If your
boss offered to double your salary even as he increased the managers salary
by four times, would you refuse
Harry Pollard wrote:
Arthur,
In all ways they are better off.
If your boss offered to double your salary even as he increased the
managers salary by four times, would you refuse it?
I doubt it, for you would know you were better off with a double salary.
Wouldnt you?
[snip]
If
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Harry Pollard wrote:
Arthur,
In all ways they are better off.
If your boss offered to double your salary even as he increased the
managers salary by four times, would you refuse it?
I
Title: Re: Slightly extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Caveman Trade vs. Modern Trade
Thomas:
Great essay and I've noted much of this myself. Especially the concept that the poor are off the radar of needing assistance. That the imbalances of capitalism does not allow wealth
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Thanks, Thomas. There's an article in today's
Ottawa Citizen on the fallout from the high tech bust that hit Ottawa in the
late 1990s. It puts aninteresting perspective on who many of the
poor
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Thomas:
Of all the things that have offended my sense of being Canadian, the most - is food banks. The second is the concept of having someone exist homeless. The elites of this country deserve
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I'm not laughing, Harry. I've just accessed a
report by the Canadian Council on Social Development that shows that poverty in
urban areas, including poverty among the working poor, increased
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Ed, when the poor kick back politicians will
act.
I agree, and in some cases they have on
matters such as housing, for example. But they can't seem to present any
kind of unified front
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As I
said. There is no incentive to change. I hate to say it but food
banks are part of the problem.
arthur
But what's the
solution? People that use the foodbanks are not activists. Most have
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They don't need money, Thomas. They need justice and the freedom to enjoy it.
Harry
Thomas:
In a way, you are right. Being poor and working with the poor as customers and neighbours let's me
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Thomas, very good posting. Ontario has just
raised the minimum wage from peanuts to peanuts. Many of the poor are
working full time and even double time, but are still unable to meet the rent
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So
what if all the righteous middle class people stopped sending their unused
canned goods to the food banks? Well the hungry people might just vote in
a government that promises radical
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I agree with the concept of a basic income or
guaranteed annual income, but I don't think there's been much discussion of it
in government since the early 1990s, and certainly nothing very
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I take your point, Harry. Somewhere out there,
there must be the right fixes, if only we could be sure of which ones they
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Tom,
Thanks!
Of course, if money is the problem (or lack of it) then the obvious thing
to do is give everyone money.
But, that seems unlikely to work, so . . . .
. ?
Money isn't the measure
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Hi Harry:
I liked your mini bio. I also agree with many of your statements especially, the following paragraph:
Modern reformers spend so much time on these things that they have no time to ask
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Ed,
The wrong fixes never work.
Now, the right fix . . .
. . . . ?
Harry
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Ed,
The wrong fixes never work.
Now, the right fix . . .
. . . . ?
Harry
Henry George School of Social
Science of Los
Keith said:
But wealth always has done done ever since the institution of agriculture.
And the difference in wealth between the rich and the poor was far wider than
today. The poor were not just poor but chattels and slaves. The same applies to
the disparity of wealth in early
REH wrote:
We may not be as bad as feudal aristocracy but Democracy and the Market was
supposed to be better than Socialism for everyone not just less bad than
Feudalism.
Neo-con capitalism comes awfully close to feudalism (inheritance of
title influence is simply replaced by inheritance of
extended (was Re: [Futurework] David Ricardo, Caveman
Trade vs. Modern Trade
REH wrote:
We may not be as bad as feudal aristocracy but Democracy and the Market
was
supposed to be better than Socialism for everyone not just less bad than
Feudalism.
Neo-con capitalism comes awfully close
Ray,
You'll note that I mentioned "taking time off from the
chorale".
It's fun to hear of your past experience, but that
isn't the point. Are you now wearing underwear you made yourself? Did you make
the podium from which you conduct? (Maybe you did!)How about the recording
and amplifying
weapons of
war and other innovations.
Keith
Ed
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It seems to me that you all are arguing the
superiority of your own particular system as nature. Keith
claim
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Modern TradeEd,At 16:58 22/11/2003
-0500,
I zero in on two items in the exchange of ideas between
Keith and Ray ---
REH
It seems to me that you all are arguing the superiority
of your own particular system as nature. Keith claims
nature for trade
KH
I certainly do. We now know that notions of fairness are
instinctive -- and
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Ed,
At 16:58 22/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Ray, brilliant! Not sure of how to respond, so maybe I'll just back into
the shadows and say nothing. You're right about how I see the
world. It's a thing
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Ed,
At 16:58 22/11/2003 -0500, you
wrote:
Ray, brilliant! Not sure of how to
respond, so maybe I'll just back into the shadows and say nothing.
You're right
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Ed,I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer, I'm
afraid. Let me try again -- see below
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Ray,
Don't think
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Ed,I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer,
I'm afraid. Let m
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Ed,
I'm a bit non-plussed by your answer, I'm afraid. Let me
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It seems to me that you all are arguing the
superiority of your own particular systemas nature. Keith
claims
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Hudson
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Ray,At 12:51 22/11/2003 -0500, you
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It seems
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