[Futurework] Is Tony Blair a coward?

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Hudson
As FWers will know, I think that Bush is a coward. He is afraid of sacking his senior staff, such as his last Treasury Secretary, face-to-face. (However, to be kinder to Bush, it's possibly embarrassment rather than cowardice. He just hasn't the language or understanding to be able to explain why

The Psyche of Bush junior (was RE: [Futurework] Glimpses of Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Hudson
Hi Karen, You and I are trying to dig just a little deeper into Bush Junior's pysche -- in the way that perhaps a biographer or historian might be doing in, say, several years fom now. At 08:41 09/03/03 -0800, you wrote: Keith, you quoted: Whether you agree with him or not, Mr. Schumer said,

A noble defence indeed! Re: [Futurework] Glimpses of Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Hudson
Hi Harry, Well! Yours (14:38 09/03/03 -0800) was a noble defence of Bush! I can't possibly answer it. Your and my view of Bush are so different that we will just have to wait upon events to see who is right. Generally speaking, you regard Bush as a fine President. I regard him as a travesty. In

[Futurework] Throwing in the towel

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Hudson
Hi Harry, Well . . . an ideal opportunity has occurred straight away which will surely determine whether my view or your view of Bush Junior is correct. According to the Times this morning. Bush Senior has said in a speech to Tufts University that hopes of peace in the Middle East would be

RE: [Futurework] It's still the econmy, stupid!

2003-03-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
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Re: A noble defence indeed! Re: [Futurework] Glimpses of Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Ed Weick
Keith, do be careful not to blaspheme! Bush is POTUS almighty! Ed Weick - Original Message - From: Keith Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harry Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: A noble defence indeed! Re: [Futurework] Glimpses of

[Futurework] RE: Throwing in the towel

2003-03-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Here is the URL to Bush Sr's speech at Tufts, forwarded to me this morning by a friend who knew I was searching for it after reading Friedman's column: Tufts E-News -- Fares 2003 Special Coverage: Former President Bush's Speech I did not find the speech particularly damning of 43's foreign policy

[Futurework] An exit for Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Sally Lerner
Nice to see in today's Toronto Globe and Mail that PM Jean Chretien gave Bush his perfect exit line: declare that you've won and get out. I seem to recall that the same suggestion was made to the US toward the end of the Vietnam idiocy. Sally ___

Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality.

2003-03-10 Thread Ed Weick
Thanks, Ray. A sombre but excellent piece on the character and morality of war. Ed Weick - Original Message - From: Ray Evans Harrell To: futurework Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about

Re: [Futurework] It's still the econmy, stupid!

2003-03-10 Thread Ed Weick
Thanks, Karen. Gary Trudeau has been taking a lot of shots at the US Administration recently, and I've come to enjoy Doonesbury again. What this, and many, many articles in the media recently have shown is that the US is still a place of greatfreedom of expression. Let's hope it stays that

[Futurework] It never was only about the animals.

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Cautionary Notes From Alaska he National Academy of Sciences has now released its long-awaited study of the environmental consequences of three decades of oil drilling along Alaska's North Slope. The report concludes that these consequences have been largely unfavorable and are likely to

RE: [Futurework] Claire Short announces her decision

2003-03-10 Thread Cordell . Arthur
I sent Keith's posting re: Claire Short to a colleague who follows these matters closely. He is a now retired political scientist. Maybe not so retired after all. This is his response. arthur === To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM Subject: Claire Short

RE: [Futurework] What is going on here?

2003-03-10 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Thanks for this. I happened to hear this program one day while driving. I was amazed at the tone of the program. Reading this it seems that Savage has tapped into the underlying anger that makes up America today. Angry at the world (lost big time in stocks, lost your pension, lost your job)?

[Futurework] More Third Way appeals to avoid brinksmanship

2003-03-10 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Regime change is not what the Security Council endorsed in Res. 1441. When you focus on Blixs reports about reluctant chemical and biological weapons disclosures but ignore El Bahardeis negative reports of nuclear weapons evidence, you are playing hide and seek with the targeted

RE: [Futurework] Bush and Blair have lost the plot

2003-03-10 Thread Lawrence DeBivort
Back in December, we finished a study of the US and Iraq, and concluded that there was about a 20% chance of the US attacking Iraq. In January, I raised this to 25. Three days ago, I reduced the estimate to 15%. Of course, most of my friends and colleagues deem me delusional, but the estimate

RE: [Futurework] What is going on here?

2003-03-10 Thread Cordell . Arthur
One Jew can't speak for nor defend the actions of all or any other Jew. Same holds true for American Indians, etc. This man Savage is a looney tunes. The fact that America has embraced him says a lot about America today. In other times he would likely be in a padded cell, taking his

[Futurework] nice quote

2003-03-10 Thread Cordell . Arthur
One of those nice quotes that takes a second to sink in, but when it does says much about computers and much more about the nature of being human. Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest. (Isaac

Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality.

2003-03-10 Thread Harry Pollard
Rat, Thanks - a great interview! Harry -- Ray wrote: For those who don't know: Bill Moyers is a Baptist Minister. (The old time religion type that I knew growing up. The type of human being who believes the intention of humanity should

Re: [Futurework] Commentary From Fr. Matthew Fox....Inneresting...

2003-03-10 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, The trouble with Novak (from his remark) is that it sells. The trouble that inflicted poor old Phil is that he didn't sell. In fact the reason that right-wing people dominate the radio talk shows is that they achieve ratings. People like to listen to them. I should have seen this was

[Futurework] Re: Throwing in the towel

2003-03-10 Thread Harry Pollard
Keith, Good thinking! However, of crucial importance to perhaps both Bushes is to get a majority of the Security Council going with the Ayes! At that point, I don't think a French veto would matter. Heck, we know what the French are like - but most of the Security Council are with us. This

Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality.

2003-03-10 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, Erase Rat - insert Ray. It wasn't a Freudian slip - just poor typing. Harry -- Rat, Thanks - a great interview! Harry -- Ray wrote: For those who don't know: Bill Moyers is

Re: A noble defence indeed! Re: [Futurework] Glimpses of Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Harry Pollard
Keith, I don't think that Bush is a fine President at all. He is no better, or worse, than the rest of them. They are human beings, as subject to frailty as the rest of us. The only training they get is on the job. You well know of the errors that Bush made at the beginning of his Presidency

Re: [Futurework] Commentary From Fr. Matthew Fox....Inneresting...

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Harry, Just because you can explain it doesn't make it right. I long for the good old days of the fairness doctrine. There are SOO many reasons for something being popular.Remember how popular the Coliseum was? There were more people murdered in the Coliseum than by Hitler and Stalin

Re: [Futurework] What is going on here?

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Arthur, I wrote several replys but it is a snake pit. Let me just say that I don't see any practicalness to your statement. Especially in a nation where we are such tiny minorities with large groups of haters.I think Woody Allen got it right in Zellig when Zellig was spotted in a Hitler

Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality.

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Rat? If you didn't mean it, you can avoid the issue by writing REH which is my acronym.However Rats are quite smart, that is why the Western World uses them for experiments in the laboratory.However, if the two of us are having a senior moment perhaps we should decide who is playing Jack

Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality.

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Too late. Rats! - Original Message - From: Harry Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Evans Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; futurework [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] It isn't about only oil or daddy but about addiction and morality. Ray,

Re: A noble defence indeed! Re: [Futurework] Glimpses of Bush

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
So Harry, Are you saying that the money is hiding out in land at the moment? REH - Original Message - From: Harry Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: A noble defence indeed! Re:

[Futurework] Fw: OOps! Greek Tragedgy and Daddy Stuff

2003-03-10 Thread Ray Evans Harrell
Bush Sr. Warning Over Unilateral Action Roland Watson The Times UK Monday 10 March 2003 The first President Bush has told his son that hopes of peace in the Middle East would be ruined if a war with Iraq were not backed by international unity. Drawing on his own experiences before and

[Futurework] Laurie Garrett from DAVOS

2003-03-10 Thread Stephen Straker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have sent this offline to some, but seems relevant to this thread. This was forwarded to me. for what its worth. it seems authentic. Laurie Garrett of Newsday -- and author of a great work of contemporary history, The Coming Plague -- sent this email to a bunch of

[Futurework] Bush is only relatively stupid (was: Throwing in the towel

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Hudson
Harry, Thanks to Karen, I've now read the full speech that Bush Senior gave at Tufts U. and I don't think it was anywhere near the strong public warning to Bush Junior that the Times article implied and I inferred in my other posting. His speech rambled around and about the whole subject of the