Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Hello *, Am 2007-03-14 12:10:56, schrieb Christof Biebricher: Sure it is still in the SuSE distro. I am positive that it will remain. I have the impression that KDE is used more in the private sector. People working with the computer use rarely KDE; it gobbles up too much resources. SuSE wants to keep those customers. Now I am using since over 8 years fvwm and I an VERY happy with it. So happy that I create customized individual Designs for my customers. Generaly in the colors of the Enterprise and in functionality... They are very happy with it and Fvwm is fast, can easily addapt to new needs and more... Thanks to all Developers and Contributors! Happy Continuing Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
[OT] NFS (was Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...)
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 09:48:30PM +, seventh guardian wrote: Or it should, if the sysadmins weren't so dumb (window$ fans..) that the computer freezes from time to time due to nfs connectivity problems. They can really get unusable, specially under heavy network load, so I finally decided to invest in a laptop. Too bad the course is almost finished So it's really just a matter of finding clever solutions to deal with dumb admins :) I think NFS version 4 is much improved and may help here. I guess Michelle may have something to say. :-) -- Chris. == ... the official version cannot be abandoned because the implication of rejecting it is far too disturbing: that we are subject to a government conspiracy of `X-Files' proportions and insidiousness. Letter to the LA Times Magazine, September 18, 2005.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Am 2007-03-13 15:16:22, schrieb Dedeco: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. ??? fvwm is distributed by RedHat, Mandriva/Mandrake, Debian, Ubuntu, Uhulinux, RedFlag Linux, Parsix and many other Major Distributions. Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:47:12 -0300 Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas, I think Fvwm-themes could be always together with Fvwm. A newbie has too much dificulty do strip interest parts of fvwm-themes. I tried to do it once and I couldn't. Since most screen-shots you present on fvwm.org make use of it, it almost doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, it's all relative. Sometimes fells like Fvwm bleeds for problems too easy to solve to justify, see!? No, not really. I'm fairly relaxed with the FVWM community, but having separate projects for things like documentation is a good thing IMO, and generally tends to be where most of my interests lie. That, and support, but that's a given. -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Dominique Michel wrote: unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. With commercial distributions, it is more complicated. As example Suse is very involved in kde development and it can be a political choice to not provide a decent fvwm version anymore. That even if yast is fvwm based. Are you saying that recent SuSE's do not have fvwm any more ? My SuSE 9.2 had one which was satisfactory for me to customize. If 10.x does not have it, it's one more reason not to upgrade ... -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On 3/14/07, Christof Biebricher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: Are you saying that recent SuSE's do not have fvwm any more ? My SuSE 9.2 had one which was satisfactory for me to customize. If 10.x does not have it, it's one more reason not to upgrade ... Sure it is still in the SuSE distro. I am positive that it will remain. I have the impression that KDE is used more in the private sector. People working with the computer use rarely KDE; it gobbles up too much resources. SuSE wants to keep those customers. Christof SuSE offers KDE as default, GNOME as an alternative, but if you select Minimal graphics system it defaults to FVWM. -- Prof. Dr. Christof K. Biebricher Max-Planck-Institute for Biophysical Chemistry D-37070 Göttingen Tel: +49 (551) 201 1442 FAX: +49 (551) 201 1578 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Met vriendelijke groeten / With kind regards Hans Voss --- * Senior Consultant Open Source, Networking and Security * google talk enabled * General Open Sourcerer.
FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:16 -0300, Dedeco wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. I'm pretty certain that there's an FVWM package for every major distro out there. If the package is installed, then it should show up in the list of available WMs. If these are machines where you don't have admin privileges, then you'll have to try to convince the box owner to install FVWM for you. --Dan Ost
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:15:48PM -0500, Dan Ost wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:16 -0300, Dedeco wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. I'm pretty certain that there's an FVWM package for every major distro out there. If the package is installed, then it should show up in the list of available WMs. There is, it's just that certain distributions or even operating systems (think OpenBSD for instance) ship with FVWm version from the last eon. If these are machines where you don't have admin privileges, then you'll have to try to convince the box owner to install FVWM for you. One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. -- Thomas Adam -- Wanting to feel; to know what is real. Living is a lie. -- Purpoise Song, by The Monkees.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. -fREW On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:46:46PM -0500, fREW wrote: I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. Please don't top post. This is such an old polemic. I started work on something similar some time ago: http://fvwm.lair.be/viewtopic.php?t=205 But to be honest, condensing something akin to fvwm-themes might be a better option. This thread is also not an appropriate place for discussing it; thread-hijacking sucks. -- Thomas Adam -- He wants you back, he screams into the night air, like a fireman going through a window that has no fire. -- Mike Myers, This Poem Sucks.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Le Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:46:46 -0500, fREW [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. -fREW On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards. I think at for a package to be included in a distro, 2 things must be fulfilled: 1) Fill a polite bug report asking to include fvwm in the distribution 2) a developer must volunteer to maintain the package. With open distributions as gentoo or debian, it is quite easy to fulfill those 2 requirements for fvwm, because I think at someone that can configure fvwm will be able to maintain a fvwm package even if it will be a learning curve for that. Package management systems are not so hard to learn and fvwm is not so complicated to install. The most difficult think is in fact to install all the dependencies in the correct order, and it is a job that a package management system make very easy to do. If I look on gentoo, it can even be simpler to do an ebuild with the right dependencies, incorporate it in the portage tree and let portage do the job as to install the same program by hand. With commercial distributions, it is more complicated. As example Suse is very involved in kde development and it can be a political choice to not provide a decent fvwm version anymore. That even if yast is fvwm based. With those distributions, you have to look for an alternative rpm depository, or to provide one. Last, you can do you own install from the sources. Ciao, Dominique
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. Think about QUOTA spaces. Not the best, IMO.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Thomas, I think Fvwm-themes could be always together with Fvwm. A newbie has too much dificulty do strip interest parts of fvwm-themes. I tried to do it once and I couldn't. Since most screen-shots you present on fvwm.org make use of it, it almost doesn't make sense. But I don't want to make this discussion as long as other similar ones I have seen here. Sometimes fells like Fvwm bleeds for problems too easy to solve to justify, see!? Fvwm-themes, ALT+TAB thingy, a documentation project detached from the main website, also a wikipage... Kind regards. But to be honest, condensing something akin to fvwm-themes might be a better option.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. Think about QUOTA spaces. Not the best, IMO. I personally have fvwm-cvs along with several other apps installed in my 50M quota at the university. 50M is really little space, specially considering you have all your configs/works there, but you can be clever. I have all the apps compressed upon logout and decompressed to /tmp upon login. Then I have the install prefix ($HOME/apps) linked to /tmp/apps, so everything should work perfectly. Or it should, if the sysadmins weren't so dumb (window$ fans..) that the computer freezes from time to time due to nfs connectivity problems. They can really get unusable, specially under heavy network load, so I finally decided to invest in a laptop. Too bad the course is almost finished So it's really just a matter of finding clever solutions to deal with dumb admins :) Cheers, Renato Caldas
