Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On 4/5/07, Lucio Chiappetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? Style * SlipperyIcon Cheers Renato
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:32:23PM +0200, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? On my fvwm2 installation icons are only on the page where they were minimized. I quite agree about not having many icons though, I have very few. -- Chris Green
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:32:23 +0200 (CEST) Lucio Chiappetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be Except of course that it doesn't; the only time this is true is if the icon happens to be sticky. that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? This happens by default, so I don't understand what you're asking. -- Thomas Adam
Re: Sticky Icons (was: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Rainer Koehler wrote: Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. Sure, just _don't_ use the style option StickyIcon ;-) Thanks to everybody who replied. In fact I had StickyIcon in an unedited part of the .fvwm2rc inherited from the SuSE default configuration. Apparently commenting that out, or using Style * SlipperyIcon (is there any difference ?) reverts back to the sensible default behaviour. BTW, my (SuSE 9.2 bundled, rather old) fvwm man page calls the option sometimes SlipperIcon, sometimes SlipperyIcon. Is it a typo ? Corrected in later versions ? -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: Sticky Icons (was: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager)
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:40:50 +0200 (CEST) Lucio Chiappetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, my (SuSE 9.2 bundled, rather old) fvwm man page calls the option sometimes SlipperIcon, sometimes SlipperyIcon. Is it a typo ? Corrected in later versions ? This was corrected by me, as have a number of improvements to the SuSE .fvwm2rc file, as shipped with 10.2, or something -- yet to be released. -- Thomas Adam
Re: Sticky Icons (was: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager)
On 4/5/07, Lucio Chiappetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Rainer Koehler wrote: Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. Sure, just _don't_ use the style option StickyIcon ;-) Thanks to everybody who replied. In fact I had StickyIcon in an unedited part of the .fvwm2rc inherited from the SuSE default configuration. Apparently commenting that out, or using Style * SlipperyIcon (is there any difference ?) reverts back to the sensible default behaviour. SlipperyIcon is the deprecated negation of StickyIcon. You should use !StickyIcon instead, it's the same thing. I've just dug it up from my config file, sorry for the outdated info :) Cheers, Renato
Sticky Icons (was: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager)
Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? Sure, just _don't_ use the style option StickyIcon ;-) Rainer
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Chris G thusly... On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:32:23PM +0200, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Parv wrote: wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. That's true. I forgot. The fact is that, since when I use fvwm (or any other multi-desktop Wm) I tend to iconize windows much less than I did on older single-page WMs (to make room). Actually I find a bit disturbing the feature that an iconized window belongs to all pages and desktops. My natural expectation would be that an iconized window remain quiescent just on the original page. Is there some fvmw trick to obtain that ? On my fvwm2 installation icons are only on the page where they were minimized. I quite agree about not having many icons though, I have very few. Until discussed here, I apparently forgot to note presence of below in my fvwmrc ... Style * NoIcon , StickyIcon Sorry, Lucio, for causing disturbance in your mind. - Parv --
FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
Is there any way to label windows in the FvwmPager? Or should I change to multiple desktops with one window each? I currently have a single desktop with eight windows at work (having just moved from Sun CDE to Linux with fvwm2) and I'm finding there's just a little too much for me to remember what's where. What are the trade-offs advantages of multiple windows on a single desktop as opposed to multiple desktops? -- Chris Green
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:53:24 +0100 Chris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to label windows in the FvwmPager? This is implied by _NOT_ setting: *FvwmPager: SmallFont none And (possibly): *FvwmPager: WindowLabelFormat In the case of the former option, you can just omit it -- the point of it is that you can specify the font for the window label, or set it to None if you didn't want any labels. Or should I change to multiple desktops with one window each? That's Non-sequitur to your first question. I currently have a single desktop with eight windows at work (having just moved from Sun CDE to Linux with fvwm2) and I'm finding there's just a little too much for me to remember what's where. The choice is yours. Many people find having one Desk with X pages useful. Others like having one page per desk, for managing windows more efficiently in terms of sorting, etc. What are the trade-offs advantages of multiple windows on a single desktop as opposed to multiple desktops? Depends how you work. -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:03:19AM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:53:24 +0100 Chris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to label windows in the FvwmPager? This is implied by _NOT_ setting: *FvwmPager: SmallFont none And (possibly): *FvwmPager: WindowLabelFormat Ah, oops, maybe 'windows' wasn't the right word to use. Yes, my little images of open application windows which appear in FvwmPager have their names as you describe above. What I wanted was some way of identifying each FvwmPager 'window' in the desktop. Or should I change to multiple desktops with one window each? That's Non-sequitur to your first question. Maybe less so if I had explained better! :-) If I had multiple desktops then (I think) each desktop would have its own desktop name in the FvwmPager window title area. I currently have a single desktop with eight windows at work (having just moved from Sun CDE to Linux with fvwm2) and I'm finding there's just a little too much for me to remember what's where. The choice is yours. Many people find having one Desk with X pages useful. Others like having one page per desk, for managing windows more efficiently in terms of sorting, etc. What are the trade-offs advantages of multiple windows on a single desktop as opposed to multiple desktops? Depends how you work. Well yes, hence my question! :-) I.e. if I change from one desktop with eight 'windows' to (say) eight desktops with one window each what do I gain and lose? Can I move applications between desktops as I can between windows at the moment, is it slower to switch desktops rather than windows, etc.? The problem I have is that it's difficult to understand the reason for the existence of both desktops and multiple windows in desktops. It's a distinction that doesn't exist in most other multi-window/desktop utilities. At least I don't think it does and I've used CDE for many years, xfce and a few others. -- Chris Green
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:54:30AM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:38:18 +0100 Chris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I wanted was some way of identifying each FvwmPager 'window' in the desktop. Right -- you want a way of naming pages. You can't do this in FVWM. You can name desks, but not pages within desks [1]. [snip lots more] 'Pages' not 'Windows', OK! :-) Thanks for the compehensive reply, I think it's told me enough to set me on the way. -- Chris Green
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris G wrote: If I had multiple desktops then (I think) each desktop would have its own desktop name in the FvwmPager window title area. Depends how you work. Well yes, hence my question! :-) When I moved to fvwm, after a bit of experimenting I settled on two desktops with 4 pages (in a 2x2 arrangement ... I used a 1x4 once on a laptop with a screen size different from my workstation ... I usually keep the pager and the clock sticky in the top right corner, but on the laptop I moved them to a bottom bar) each. I originally expected to be able somehow to give a name to the pages (which could have been just a sequence number) which could appear somewhere as a visual reminder of where I'm in. I'd liked also to have different background (solid) colours for each page, mirrored in the pager. But at the end I can live well without those things. The sticky pager with the red active window and an highlighted active page colour is enough to tell me where I am, together with the mini icons of the windows which tell me what the various pages are used for. I ended with a Main desktop and a Secondary desktop (no fancy names). My original idea was to work at different projects in a flexible way in the 4 pages of the main dt, while the secondary dt was intended for network stuff. In fact I originally planned to keep firefox in one page, mail (pine) in another, and a VNC session onto an headless machine in another (the 4th was spare). This is initialized at startup in the .fvwmrc. Now I hardly use the VNC page, but maybe deposit in the 2 spare pages a PDF document (triggered in the browser or mail agent) for later reading. I have some reproducible patterns of windows in the main dt pages, but I start them manually when I need them. Not all days are equal ! Can I move applications between desktops as I can between windows at the moment, is it slower to switch desktops rather than windows, etc.? Thanks to Thomas Adam for the explanation about window (un)mapping etc. In practice I hardly noticed any difference between switching or moving windows across pages or across desks. I originally defined a lot of accelerators to switch pages and desks and to attach to window menus to move a window to (occupy) another page or desk, but I found that I almost never use them. Usually I switch desks and pages via the pager (rarely dragging a window to a neighbouring page), while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 12:29:08PM +0200, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris G wrote: If I had multiple desktops then (I think) each desktop would have its own desktop name in the FvwmPager window title area. Depends how you work. Well yes, hence my question! :-) When I moved to fvwm, after a bit of experimenting I settled on two desktops with 4 pages (in a 2x2 arrangement ... I used a 1x4 once on a laptop with a screen size different from my workstation ... I usually keep the pager and the clock sticky in the top right corner, but on the laptop I moved them to a bottom bar) each. I originally expected to be able somehow to give a name to the pages (which could have been just a sequence number) which could appear somewhere as a visual reminder of where I'm in. I'd liked also to have different background (solid) colours for each page, mirrored in the pager. But at the end I can live well without those things. The sticky pager with the red active window and an highlighted active page colour is enough to tell me where I am, together with the mini icons of the windows which tell me what the various pages are used for. I ended with a Main desktop and a Secondary desktop (no fancy names). My original idea was to work at different projects in a flexible way in the 4 pages of the main dt, while the secondary dt was intended for network stuff. In fact I originally planned to keep firefox in one page, mail (pine) in another, and a VNC session onto an headless machine in another (the 4th was spare). This is initialized at startup in the .fvwmrc. Now I hardly use the VNC page, but maybe deposit in the 2 spare pages a PDF document (triggered in the browser or mail agent) for later reading. I have some reproducible patterns of windows in the main dt pages, but I start them manually when I need them. Not all days are equal ! Can I move applications between desktops as I can between windows at the moment, is it slower to switch desktops rather than windows, etc.? Thanks to Thomas Adam for the explanation about window (un)mapping etc. In practice I hardly noticed any difference between switching or moving windows across pages or across desks. I originally defined a lot of accelerators to switch pages and desks and to attach to window menus to move a window to (occupy) another page or desk, but I found that I almost never use them. Usually I switch desks and pages via the pager (rarely dragging a window to a neighbouring page), while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Thanks for the comprehensive description of how you're using FVWM2, all useful to get an idea of how to do things. I have been using FVWM2 for quite a while on my home (Linux) machine with one four (or is it five) page desktop. I only recently moved to FVWM2 on my work machine and found that one desktop with eight pages wasn't working too well. I have moved to four desktops with two pages each and I've labelled the desktops - Mail, Browser, Development, Windows - which makes sense to me anyway. I really hadn't realised the relationship of pages and desktops in FVWM2, it's clearer now and many desktops with few pages each makes much more sense for my way of working. Thanks again all. -- Chris Green
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
I have 2 desktops of 1x4 pages, keeping one desktop visible at a time and switch to a page on the other desktop via middle button on that page in the original desktop. I also have one page labeled on one desktop. Mouse (FvwmPager) 1 W N SwitchtoPage Mouse (FvwmPager) 2 W N SwitchtoDesk AddToFunc SwitchtoPage + I PipeRead `echo GotoPage_func \`eval expr $[pointer.wx] \\'*\\' 4 / $[w.width] \` 0 AddToFunc SwitchtoDesk + I Test ($[desk.n]) Colorset 8 bg #70c050 + I TestRc (NoMatch) Colorset 8 bg lightblue + I PipeRead `echo GotoDeskAndPage_func \`echo $[desk.n] | tr 01 10\` \`eval expr $[pointer.wx] \\'*\\' 4 / $[w.width] \` 0 AddToFunc GotoPage_func + I DesktopName 1 - # desk 1 page 1 gets a title # conditional c code changed to be able to Test for a boolean + I Test($0) DesktopName 1 pagetitle + I TestRc (NoMatch) DesktopName 1 - + I GotoPage $0 0 AddToFunc GotoDeskAndPage_func + I DesktopName 1 - # desk 1 page 1 gets a title # conditional c code changed to be able to Test for a boolean + I Test($1) DesktopName 1 pagetitle + I TestRc (NoMatch) DesktopName 1 - + I GotoDeskAndPage $0 $1 0 I suppose one could have a desktop title contain the page titles in its title.
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... Usually I switch desks and pages via the pager (rarely dragging a window to a neighbouring page), while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the window on the current page; switch to your destination page; uniconify previously iconified window. - Parv --
Re: FVWM: Labelling windows in the FvwmPager
P in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], P wrote Lucio Chiappetti thusly... Usually I switch desks and pages via the pager (rarely dragging a window to a neighbouring page), while for moving windows the most frequent way for me is to stick it to all pages and desks, change page, then eventually unstick it. Second choice is drag in the pager. P Yet another way, similar to (un)sticking a window, is to iconify the P window on the current page; switch to your destination page; P uniconify previously iconified window. I have titlebar buttons that move a window to a particular page. shiftbutton also switches to that page. controlbutton moves the window to the other desk.
