Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-15 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 11:07 PM, James Rohde wrote: On 11/14/03 5:41 AM, Bruce Johnson enlightened us by writing: Softwindows was written by Insignia under license from Microsoft. Insignia got the deep access to Windows source code. In return Microsoft got significant rights to

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-14 Thread James Rohde
On 11/13/03 6:59 AM, Kelly Johnson enlightened us by writing: I think you guys are missing the boat on MS's intentions. I think it is a simple matter of them knowing that a significant number of mac users, given sufficient experience with windows, will become comfortable enough with it to

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-14 Thread James Rohde
On 11/14/03 5:41 AM, Bruce Johnson enlightened us by writing: Softwindows was written by Insignia under license from Microsoft. Insignia got the deep access to Windows source code. In return Microsoft got significant rights to Insignia's code. FWB owns the SoftWindows product, but they can't

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-13 Thread Josh Watson
I think you guys are missing the boat on MS's intentions. I think it is a simple matter of them knowing that a significant number of mac How about this then - if M$ want the new XBox (a glorified Celeron) to run on a G5 chip and be backward compatible, then maybe they'll need a good x86

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-13 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 05:06 PM, Kelly Johnson wrote: The reason I say this is that I am a fairly typical user, and this is what happened to me. I used windows in VPC, got comfortable with it, became irritated with apple for a few reasons, sold my mac, bought a pc, bought another

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-13 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 04:28 PM, David Sinn wrote: I wasn't aware that Microsoft had bought FWB or SoftWindows for that matter, or were you saying that they should have? Softwindows was written by Insignia under license from Microsoft. Insignia got the deep access to Windows

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-13 Thread Frank P. Eigler
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Paul Stamsen wrote: At 17:06pm -0700 on 11/12/03, you (Kelly Johnson), wrote: I think you guys are missing the boat on MS's intentions. I think it is a simple matter of them knowing that a significant number of mac (snip) price differences for me). All because of

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-13 Thread Kelly Johnson
Paul, I have a 12 powerbook, which I think qualifies. kj. On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 05:59 AM, G-Books wrote: And you wrote to (and stayed subscribed to) this list for what reason? pc now. I bought a pb12 because there truly was nothing else pc or otherwise that could compete (sony

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Krevnik
On Nov 11, 2003, at 3:53 PM, Jim Schulze wrote: On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Krevnik wrote: It doesn't mean that Linux will suddenly stop working. VPC is designed so that you can't just set a magic flag that prevents an OS from working. ROFLMAO. Uh, do you think that if you had

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Jim Schulze
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 01:05 AM, Krevnik wrote: On Nov 11, 2003, at 3:53 PM, Jim Schulze wrote: On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Krevnik wrote: It doesn't mean that Linux will suddenly stop working. VPC is designed so that you can't just set a magic flag that prevents an

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread David Sinn
That is, of course, only if Microsoft continues to keep VPC as a emulator and doesn't morph it into something closer to say WINE. Why do I need to emulate the whole PC when all that users may need is a Windows API and something to translate the code??? I have no info that this is what they are

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
David Sinn wrote: That is, of course, only if Microsoft continues to keep VPC as a emulator and doesn't morph it into something closer to say WINE. Why do I need to emulate the whole PC when all that users may need is a Windows API and something to translate the code??? I have no info that this

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Bruce Johnson
David Ensteness wrote: The core design of VPC prevents MS/Connectix from disabling other OSes without doing some damage to Windows running in the VPC environment. Not true, there are some OSes that do not work under VPC, this has been the case for several years. Only if the emulated hardware is

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread David Sinn
I wasn't aware that Microsoft had bought FWB or SoftWindows for that matter, or were you saying that they should have? So, while they don't have an existing product to upgrade to do what I was conjecturing to be Microsoft's intent, what ever any of us comes up with is just that: conjecture.

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Kelly Johnson
I think you guys are missing the boat on MS's intentions. I think it is a simple matter of them knowing that a significant number of mac users, given sufficient experience with windows, will become comfortable enough with it to ditch apple. They've lowered the price already, which to me

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-12 Thread Paul Stamsen
At 17:06pm -0700 on 11/12/03, you (Kelly Johnson), wrote: I think you guys are missing the boat on MS's intentions. I think it is a simple matter of them knowing that a significant number of mac (snip) price differences for me). All because of VPC. kj. And you wrote to (and stayed

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-11 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 07:46 PM, Shawn Harley wrote: Steve, Looks like they are only talking about VPC for Windows and Linux. VPC for Mac is mentioned in the Nov. 2 release near the end, but no mention of Linux support there either. We'll just have to wait and see. VPC emulates

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-11 Thread Jim Schulze
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 09:29 PM, Krevnik wrote: It doesn't mean that Linux will suddenly stop working. VPC is designed so that you can't just set a magic flag that prevents an OS from working. ROFLMAO. Uh, do you think that if you had the source code you might be able to come up

Virtual PC Update

2003-11-10 Thread Steve Fuller
For everyone that was harping on Microsoft for removing support for Linux or other non-MS operating systems from Virtual PC over the last week or so, you can put down your pitchforks and black helicopter theories. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1378286,00.asp Steve -- G-Books is

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-10 Thread Shawn Harley
Steve, Looks like they are only talking about VPC for Windows and Linux. VPC for Mac is mentioned in the Nov. 2 release near the end, but no mention of Linux support there either. We'll just have to wait and see. Shawn On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:52 AM, Steve Fuller wrote: For

Re: Virtual PC Update

2003-11-10 Thread Krevnik
Unless they are dropping support for the Mac, then what they say about VPC in general applies to the Mac version. They don't want to support people using Linux, and that isn't surprising in the least. It doesn't mean that Linux will suddenly stop working. VPC is designed so that you can't just