[Megillot] FW: Decoding the DSS

2007-03-07 Thread Ken Penner
 Forwarded for Stephen Goranson:

 Hi,
 Here's an online article, perhaps one to note for g-megillot 
 and/or orion in the news. It's from December 2006; the 
 title at the newsletter link, Decoding the Dead Sea 
 Scrolls, is the same as that of a National Geographic show 
 next Sunday, coincidentally or not. Much of it is semi-old 
 news, but it would be nice to have a list of which texts are 
 on goat and calf skin, to compare or contrast with those on 
 gazelle and ibex skin.
 
 http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2006/1108scrolls.shtml
 
 best,
 Stephen Goranson
 http://www.duke.edu/~goranson

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Re: [Megillot] FW: Decoding the DSS

2007-03-07 Thread dwashbur
Agreed those things are possible.  But it's equally possible that they (whoever 
they were; I 
agree with you about the whole Essene thing) just bought jars wherever they 
could and put 
scrolls they had already made into them.  That's my gripe: the article goes 
immediately from 
jars from different sites to the scrolls had to have come from the same 
places.  It's a 
flying leap, nothing more, but the average reader isn't going to pick that up.

On 7 Mar 2007 at 11:53, Jim West wrote:

 
 
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  I frequently wonder why otherwise competent scholars come up with 
  statements like this 
  one:
  
  ---
  Although chemical analysis indicated that several cave jars were made from 
  clay found near 
  Qumran, it also showed material from five other locations, suggesting that 
  the scrolls might 
  have originated in many different sites.
  ---
  
  How?  All it suggests is that the JARS might have originated in many 
  different sites.  It says 
  nothing at all about the scrolls therein.  
 
 
 Maybe they are presuming that the jars were made at the very location 
 that the scrolls were written and then immediately shoved inside them. 
 (the scrolls into the jars that is).
 
 It really isn't outside the realm of possibility is it that if scrolls 
 are being produced jars are also being produced at the same location to 
 store them in?
 
 Mind you, I don't think there was an Essene encampment at Qumran.  I 
 think it was as Hirschfeld saw it (but alas, that's a minority viewpoint!)
 
 best
 
 jim
 
 
 
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 Jim West, ThD
 
 http://drjewest.googlepages.com/  -- Biblical Studies Resources
 http://drjimwest.wordpress.com  -- Weblog
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Re: [Megillot] FW: Decoding the DSS

2007-03-07 Thread Dierk van den Berg
It really isn't outside the realm of possibility is it that if scrolls are 
being produced jars are also being produced at the same location to store 
them in?




No Jim - for that would be utmost unproductive, not only in the narrower 
party-political sense. Let's put it this way, 'the exile' in the 'Wilderness 
of Nations' is simply not to be located in  e.g. Juergen Zangenberg's 
'paradisiac mercantile vicinity' (2003) of the Dead Sea in the 2nd and 1st 
c. BC - only that is of certain importance here, I believe.



_Dierk _‹(•¿•)›_
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kullu nafsin dsa 'iqatu l-mawt (surah 3.185)
*all living is pervaded by the taste of death*
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[Megillot] clay and scrolls

2007-03-07 Thread Søren Holst
Dave Washburn wrote:

I frequently wonder why otherwise competent scholars come up with statements 
like this 
one:

---
Although chemical analysis indicated that several cave jars were made from clay 
found near 
Qumran, it also showed material from five other locations, suggesting that the 
scrolls might 
have originated in many different sites.
---

How?  All it suggests is that the JARS might have originated in many different 
sites.  It says 
nothing at all about the scrolls therein.  

**

I don't have any particular axe to grind about this, but wouldn't it be fair to 
say that it not only suggests the jars *might* come from different places, but 
almost conclusively demonstrates this (unless unprocessed clay was carted 
around)?

About the *scrolls* it obviously only suggests they *might* come from different 
places, but that was what the offending quote said in the first place. I guess 
some slightly louder reservations than just the word might could be a good 
idea if the quote is meant for journalistic consumption, buit there's nothing 
*wrong* being said there, is there?

kol tuv
Soren

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