Re: gEDA-user: Polygon and track spacing

2010-04-24 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi, -Original Message- From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:29 PM To: gEDA user mailing list Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Polygon and track spacing I added this to the wiki

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Andrzej
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:09 PM, al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote: If you look at free/open-source software as a product to be consumed, like you consume commercial products, you will probably be disappointed. I disagree. While writing OSS has value in its own (as a method of gaining

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread al davis
On Saturday 24 April 2010, Andrzej wrote: Do you have any plans for releasing the new version? If so, what would be its scope. I'm afraid that if it is going to include all the planned features (which are pretty ambitious, I must admit), it will remain a development version forever. Some

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Link
On 24/04/10 05:46, al davis wrote: On Friday 23 April 2010, Link wrote: Eh? Suppose you had instead said: === .. I suggest using Eagle through Darwine. In my personal experience, Eagle is a lot better than geda, and it is definitely an easier workflow.

Re: gEDA-user: im new, soy nuevo

2010-04-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 19, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Rubén Gómez Antolí wrote: Hi all: El 19/04/10 23:31, Armin Faltl escribió: [...] Good evening everyone, I hope nobody has troube with me writing German here now. Please, don't took seriously my last e-mail, it was only a joke. Really,

gEDA-user: xgsch2pcb acts different from gsch2pcb

2010-04-24 Thread Jim
If I take my project.rc file and copy it to project.gsch2pcb and change the output-name to something else so I don't clobber my ongoing development and run xgsch2pcb, pcb then gives me a bunch of errors like: Warning! Net +3.3V is shorted to net +5V Warning! net +3.3V is shorted to net Vcc

Re: gEDA-user: xgsch2pcb acts different from gsch2pcb

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 06:04 -0400, Jim wrote: If I take my project.rc file and copy it to project.gsch2pcb and change the output-name to something else so I don't clobber my ongoing development and run xgsch2pcb, pcb then gives me a bunch of errors Did you copy your board as well, or are

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH] Add line end to line type dialog

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 22:08 +0200, Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz wrote: You're right, this was done without too much thought. I'll try to rewrite this and resubmit - unless you think that the core of this patch (having an option to edit line end style) is moot... Round vs. square is probably

Re: gEDA-user: xgsch2pcb acts different from gsch2pcb

2010-04-24 Thread Jim
Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 06:04 -0400, Jim wrote: If I take my project.rc file and copy it to project.gsch2pcb and change the output-name to something else so I don't clobber my ongoing development and run xgsch2pcb, pcb then gives me a bunch of errors Did you copy

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread Miguel Sánchez de León Peque
Thanks to all for your reply! :-) Specially to Peter Clifton's, Stefan Salewski's and Tibor Palinkas's answers. PS: seems that everybody use Vim or Emacs! Is that a must? ;-) Maybe I should start using one of them... Does anybody use [1]Geany? (which is the one I'm actually

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread Justas Poderys
Why not giving Code::Blocks a try? I was told that C::B is especially good for Gtk. Never tried though... Miguel Sánchez de León Peque wrote: Thanks to all for your reply! :-) Specially to Peter Clifton's, Stefan Salewski's and Tibor Palinkas's answers. PS: seems that everybody

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread Felipe De la Puente Christen
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 18:17 +0300, Justas Poderys wrote: Why not giving Code::Blocks a try? I was told that C::B is especially good for Gtk. Never tried though... I have used Code::Blocks in Windoze for academic purposes once, and I think it's the most Windoze-Similar way to write code on

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:46:41 -0400, al davis wrote: Suppose you had instead said: === .. I suggest using Eagle through Darwine. In my personal experience, Eagle is a lot better than geda, and it is definitely an easier workflow. === Is this any

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Unfortunately, the opposite is true for gschem/gnucap vs ltspice Unfortunately, it takes more skill to drive a Jeep than it take to drive a tricycle. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 02:40:47 -0400, al davis wrote: There are other tarballs with plugins there, which you might want, including all of the BSIM models including the latest BSIM4 and SOI. -v, please. For what components are there models actually available straight from gnucap.org ? Last time

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:00 AM, Miguel Sánchez de León Peque wrote: Hi all, I'm a student interested in contributing to gEDA and learn some C ;-). The biggest problem I find any time I start coding is how should I write this?. You're always talking about deprecated code, libraries

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 24, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Did nobody ever manage to build an opamp model from scratch and make it available under an open source license? Is this too hard a task? Not hard at all. I might throw a few at gedasymbols.org just for fun. Lets see, somewhere around

Re: gEDA-user: xgsch2pcb acts different from gsch2pcb

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 09:19 -0400, Jim wrote: Peter Clifton wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 06:04 -0400, Jim wrote: If I take my project.rc file and copy it to project.gsch2pcb and change the output-name to something else so I don't clobber my ongoing development and run xgsch2pcb,

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:36:59 -0600, John Doty wrote: I might throw a few at gedasymbols.org just for fun. Please do so. Lack of models is a major road block to get started with simulation. Once over the new users stage, more models will help to make even more. The more models in the

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Madhusudan Singh
I don't think it is a matter of skill. I am an engineer / scientist who is interested in what *works*. I am paid to get a certain piece of work done (for the best possible design in the shortest amount of time), not spend time working around imperfections of certain pieces of

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread Steven Michalske
On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak k...@familieknaak.de wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:36:59 -0600, John Doty wrote: I might throw a few at gedasymbols.org just for fun. Please do so. Lack of models is a major road block to get started with simulation. Once over the new

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Madhusudan Singh wrote: I don't think it is a matter of skill. I am an engineer / scientist who is interested in what *works*. So am I. That's exactly why I find gEDA so powerful. I am paid to get a certain piece of work done (for the best possible

Re: gEDA-user: Patch to PCB build system needs testing/feedback

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:16 -0700, Jared Casper wrote: I just discovered that the latest automake (1.11) has a nifty feature to create silent build rules to produce a Linux kernel style build that just displays CC file.c etc. instead of the whole command line (must have missed the memo

Re: gEDA-user: Connecting to vias

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:59 -0400, George M. Gallant wrote: the fab house requirements so getting this message is annoying. Thanks for the tip on making sure to be centered on the part when performing the change sides function. Using version 20091103. I think you need to select

Re: gEDA-user: Connecting to vias

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 22:42 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:59 -0400, George M. Gallant wrote: the fab house requirements so getting this message is annoying. Thanks for the tip on making sure to be centered on the part when performing the change sides

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 13:25 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 13:10 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 12:37 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: I think I have to rename all of them, including John Luciani's. You have components in your

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread al davis
On Saturday 24 April 2010, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Please do so. Lack of models is a major road block to get started with simulation. Once over the new users stage, more models will help to make even more. The more models in the quiver, the more gnucap users, the more new models.

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread al davis
On Saturday 24 April 2010, Link wrote: I hadn't intended for anyone to interpret it that way, and I'm sorry if you interpreted that as bashing gEDA. Perhaps my choice of words was rather unfortunate. Apology accepted. What I intended to is that one component (the simulator) of LTSpice

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
Miguel, I don't want to hurt you, how ever, the order of your first sentence reads very wrong to me: learn a lot of C programming, good coding style (there are dedicted styleguides for this, just google), then contribute to a pretty complex program. An introductory book on ANSI-C is good to

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:42 PM, al davis wrote: On Saturday 24 April 2010, Link wrote: I hadn't intended for anyone to interpret it that way, and I'm sorry if you interpreted that as bashing gEDA. Perhaps my choice of words was rather unfortunate. Apology accepted. What I intended to is

Re: gEDA-user: PCB configuration skin

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
The lesstif GUI has a minimalist layout in order to maximize the amount of screen real estate that goes to the layout window. Is there a true reason this is not done in the GTK+ GUI? - I wrote 3-4 GUI programs so far from Microsoft foundation classes to raw X11 to GTK+ to FLTK and always

Re: gEDA-user: PCB configuration skin

2010-04-24 Thread DJ Delorie
The lesstif GUI has a minimalist layout in order to maximize the Is there a true reason this is not done in the GTK+ GUI? The GTK interface is similar to the Xaw one we had before; it's easier to use because the common buttons are right there. Somewhere, I have a patch for the lesstif GUI

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
I made a first attempt to create a database schema, that's a collection of table definitions on this - It's not a good idea to work on tables representing trees and DAG's at 02:00 in the morning, so this is just sketches and reminders of what I want. Some other list member is working in the same

Re: gEDA-user: Matching footprints with symbols

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
What I forgot: my personal experience is with PostgreSQL (have it installed under Linux and Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, works excellent). This is what I would use for a shared environment (eg. web-resource). For read only or single user systems sqlite may be useful. However, the table

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
I'm here only for a bit over a week, got a lot of help and try to contribute something. In my opinion, even if you were bashing gEDA or parts of it, this would be still your right, while probably no good place. What sounds like bashing in the ears of some contains constructive criticisim in

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread kai-martin knaak
al davis wrote: A model site should be models not just spice models to leave it open for all kinds of models. A models site is the second step. First and foremost, there should be a decent stock of models included in the default install of gnucap. The problem is not a lack of models, but

Re: gEDA-user: [PATCH] Add line end to line type dialog

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
Is it correct, that round linestyle is default because of its superior mechanical/thermal properties? - I definitely read this for pads and it's easy to imagine, that a corner more easily delaminates than a round edge. In the light of this, a small bend corner style would be cool ;-) Peter

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread Madhusudan Singh
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:17 PM, John Doty [1]...@noqsi.com wrote: On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Madhusudan Singh wrote: I don't think it is a matter of skill. I am an engineer / scientist who is interested in what *works*. So am I. That's exactly why I find gEDA so

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA programming

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
Maybe there's no book for that, it's just programming experience... am I right? (I hope not! xD) Thanks in advance, A student who is a bit confused about which is good modern C programming style... :-) I don't think there is any such thing. These days coders type first and

Re: gEDA-user: A little puzzled about the purpose of gschem

2010-04-24 Thread John Doty
On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Madhusudan Singh wrote: Failure to correspond to your prejudices is not imperfection. Needing an extra 20 minutes after wiring the net, to populate spice models for each gschem schematic (instead of having a set of default libraries that do that for

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread al davis
On Saturday 24 April 2010, kai-martin knaak wrote: There should not be a need to search for specific models for getting started with basic circuits in the first place. The models don't have to be exact. But they need to be available right away. Ah .. there's a good idea .. don't have

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread Armin Faltl
Can you make a list of the ones that should be included? I can't make the list, but can tell you what I use: - resistor - potentiometer - capacitor - inductor - diode (including Zener, Schottky,... ) - bipolar transistors - MOSFETs - op-amp - Schmitt-trigger - logic gates (NAND),

Re: gEDA-user: Polygon and track spacing

2010-04-24 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: Bizzare thought - our online documentation should be done as a series of PCB files that illustrate the operations. We already know how to render those - just pop up the relevent ones in a new window :-) And it is very compact data -- low load on the distribution. I'll keep

Re: gEDA-user: passing parameters to a subckt

2010-04-24 Thread al davis
On Saturday 24 April 2010, Armin Faltl wrote: I can't make the list, but can tell you what I use: - resistor - potentiometer - capacitor - inductor - diode (including Zener, Schottky,... ) - bipolar transistors - MOSFETs - op-amp - Schmitt-trigger - logic gates (NAND), sometimes

Re: gEDA-user: Polygon and track spacing

2010-04-24 Thread DJ Delorie
DJ Delorie wrote: Bizzare thought - our online documentation should be done as a series of PCB files that illustrate the operations. We already know how to render those - just pop up the relevent ones in a new window :-) And it is very compact data -- low load on the distribution.