On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 10:34 -0700, John Doty wrote:
Without offending anyone I hope, I think it would be fair to say there
is ONE current gEDA developer, and I think you would struggle to point
out anything detrimental Peter Brett has done to the project.
Well, Peter, at least, thinks of
John Doty writes:
[...]
Then there's Patrick Bernaud. Bas Gjeltes and I tried to contribute a patch
for the attribute censorship bug, but Patrick grabbed it, unfactored my
Guile code, found a problem that broke drc2, and then dropped it.
Maybe you can elaborate on your last sentence:
On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:50 AM, Patrick Bernaud wrote:
John Doty writes:
[...]
Then there's Patrick Bernaud. Bas Gjeltes and I tried to contribute a patch
for the attribute censorship bug, but Patrick grabbed it, unfactored my
Guile code, found a problem that broke drc2, and then dropped it.
John Doty writes:
[...]
The work-around for the drc2 incompatibility. Where is it?
You remember that I am not the person proposing the initial patch,
only one reviewer?
Beside with the example I proposed, it is not an incompatibility,
but merely a (valid) warning triggered by the new code.
On Jan 2, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Patrick Bernaud wrote:
John Doty writes:
[...]
The work-around for the drc2 incompatibility. Where is it?
You remember that I am not the person proposing the initial patch,
only one reviewer?
You did more than review: you thoroughly rewrote it in a way that
John Doty writes:
[...]
We agreed it has to be addressed, yes. But who should address it?
Since it was so kindly asked, I did: my full (and final as far as I am
concerned) patch set for this issue follows this message (so our
fellow readers will get a chance to understand what we are talking
On Jan 2, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Patrick Bernaud wrote:
Still, and as a side note, look how much beneficial a change
from unknown to #f (as value for no- or unknown attribute) would be.
Different layers. unknown is is the appropriate return when the back end will
simply put the result in the
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Bert Timmerman wrote
On Friday 31 December 2010, John Doty wrote:
I think we can all be friends.
You are the one making enemies.
Disagreement does not imply
malice.
In your case, it does.
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On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 13:18 -0700, John Doty wrote:
Divorce gEDA from pcb. Create a schematic plugin for pcb, since that
seems to be what pcb users want. The flexibility of the
gschem/gnetlist flow is unnecessary to hobbyists. The current
developers are dangerously pcb-centric.
ARE there any
On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:37 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
On Wed, 2010-12-29 at 13:18 -0700, John Doty wrote:
Divorce gEDA from pcb. Create a schematic plugin for pcb, since that
seems to be what pcb users want. The flexibility of the
gschem/gnetlist flow is unnecessary to hobbyists. The current
Bert Timmerman wrote:
ARE there any current gEDA developers?
Yes, I think there is lots of patches or patch series in SF
to prove that.
For 2010 there were exactly 16 patches in the geda tracker:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=161080atid=818428
I wouldn't call this lots of. None
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:50:07 -0600
Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a single value,
for the purposes of the signal flow in the schematic that is, then
give it a default of value=0.
That is bad. You have to think twice
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
A better netlister for simulation is difficult as long as the gnetlist
front end has hard-coded semantics, especially for hierarchy and
slotting.
Last year (June 2009) LWN published a very nice series by Neil Brown
about successful design pattern in the Linux
2010/12/29 Levente Kovacs leventel...@gmail.com:
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 22:01:43 +0100
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knugum-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org
wrote:
Hm… I start to regret that I asked the question in the first place…
We are very good at making wars. We make wars on what kind of
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:23 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
A better netlister for simulation is difficult as long as the gnetlist
front end has hard-coded semantics, especially for hierarchy and
slotting.
Last year (June 2009) LWN published a very nice
Levente Kovacs leventel...@gmail.com writes:
So don't regret it, it is getting common.
I wish it weren't so common. Such wars are a pointless waste of time
and serve only to drive valuable contributors away. Soon, the only
people working on gEDA/PCB will be those who enjoy complaining, as
On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:23 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
I can imagine that it's not a lot, since this is really a classical
case for said design pattern.
The real difficulty here is the complexity of
As one of the principal troublemakers, let me comment.
On Dec 29, 2010, at 11:18 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Levente Kovacs leventel...@gmail.com writes:
So don't regret it, it is getting common.
I wish it weren't so common.
Then show a real commitment to the toolkit, not just to pcb for
On Dec 28, 2010, at 7:32 PM, John Griessen wrote:
On 12/28/2010 06:21 PM, John Doty wrote:
Well, the plug-in wasn't that difficult.
Thanks for contributing some code John. I'm in the midst of a
lot of obligations and low cash. I'll try to give it a look before January
is gone.
Well, I
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:18:24 -0500
DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
I regret that I made that comment.
I wish it weren't so common. Such wars are a pointless waste of time
and serve only to drive valuable contributors away. Soon, the only
people working on gEDA/PCB will be those who enjoy
Setting it to zero by default could even be used to signal Gschem to add an
extra highlight to those symbols bearing it.
Yuck. Keep tools simple and clean.
Agreed, but if you wanted a DRC highlighter, a ? highlighted would be
a great thing to highlight.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz
vanessaezekow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:04 -0500
al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a
single value, for
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:24:18 +0100
Levente Kovacs leventel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:50:07 -0600
Vanessa Ezekowitz vanessaezekow...@gmail.com wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a single value,
for the purposes of the signal flow in the schematic
On Dec 27, 2010, at 8:41 AM, John Griessen wrote:
On 12/27/2010 08:43 AM, John Doty wrote:
Perhaps we need a real gnucap back end with this property? Or a plug-in that
does this?
Sure, send some rent money and I'll create and test it within two months.
Well, the plug-in wasn't that
On 12/28/2010 06:21 PM, John Doty wrote:
Well, the plug-in wasn't that difficult.
Thanks for contributing some code John. I'm in the midst of a
lot of obligations and low cash. I'll try to give it a look before January is
gone.
JG
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:04 -0500
al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a
single value, for the purposes of the signal flow in the
schematic that is, then give it a default of
On Dec 27, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:04 -0500
al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a
single value, for the purposes of the signal flow
On 12/27/2010 08:43 AM, John Doty wrote:
Perhaps we need a real gnucap back end with this property? Or a plug-in that
does this?
Sure, send some rent money and I'll create and test it within two months.
John
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On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 09:43 -0500, John Doty wrote:
On Dec 27, 2010, at 3:56 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:55:04 -0500
al davis ad...@freeelectron.net wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be
On 12/27/2010 02:56 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
No. Zero is almost always wrong.
Exactly my point - it is*supposed* to be wrong.
The only sensible default value in this case is a copy of the reference
designator.
No, that's wrong too.
This seems like one of those cases where more than
Hi all,
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Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values???
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:44:54 -0500
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote:
Often, perhaps, but not usually. No matter how you slice it, the most
common way to use such a symbol and its corresponding physical
representation is as a component on a circuit board or in an IC.
Maybe for you. But
On Dec 26, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:44:54 -0500
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote:
Often, perhaps, but not usually. No matter how you slice it, the most
common way to use such a symbol and its corresponding physical
representation is as a component
Flexibility and specific applicability are not mutually exclusive, and for
the very reasons you are citing here.
True, but what makes this possible? It's *avoiding* specificity in the
foundations.
I find that statement odd. If the foundation is not well specified
then it is not a
On Dec 26, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Bob Paddock wrote:
Flexibility and specific applicability are not mutually exclusive, and for
the very reasons you are citing here.
True, but what makes this possible? It's *avoiding* specificity in the
foundations.
I find that statement odd. If the
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
One crazy configuration was to reduce the number of bits/photon to
one, and thereby achieve two orders of magnitude better time
resolution than most people thought necessary while staying within
data transmission restrictions. I'm told that this has been the
On Dec 26, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
All the NASA QA, reviews, and stuff were annoying at first, but in the
end there always were smart people asking the right questions at the
right time to the right people.
Well, you've had better luck than I have. In three decades of
On Saturday 25 December 2010, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
* If the part in question can usually be described by a
single value, for the purposes of the signal flow in the
schematic that is, then give it a default of value=0.
No. Zero is almost always wrong. The only sensible default
value in
Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Now I'd like to save my ”new” symbol somewhere.
If you added the attribute in the schematics (the document
with the title block), you did not create a new symbol. You
just attached an attribute to an instance of the symbol.
To really change and save a symbol, you'd:
On Dec 25, 2010, at 1:50 AM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
Resistors are just one of many component types out there have a value, no
matter what type of package they come in
Resistors often don't come in packages. I use resistors in VLSI design, and
textbook symbolic abstractions of resistors
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
Often, perhaps, but not usually. No matter how you slice it, the
most common way to use such a symbol and its corresponding physical
representation is as a component on a circuit board or in an IC.
Maybe for you.
Your opinion doesn't change the statistics.
On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
Often, perhaps, but not usually. No matter how you slice it, the
most common way to use such a symbol and its corresponding physical
representation is as a component on a circuit board or in an IC.
Maybe
Den 2010-12-25 20:59:14 skrev John Doty j...@noqsi.com:
On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
John Doty j...@noqsi.com writes:
Often, perhaps, but not usually. No matter how you slice it, the
most common way to use such a symbol and its corresponding physical
representation is
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com writes:
Hm… I start to regret that I asked the question in the first place…
Please don't.
--
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Den 2010-12-25 22:12:40 skrev Stephan Boettcher
boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de:
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com writes:
Hm… I start to regret that I asked the question in the first place…
Please don't.
Well, I guess it's not regrettable anyway; the question is already asked
and
On Dec 25, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Hm… I start to regret that I asked the question in the first place…
No need to regret it. It was a good question.
John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
j...@noqsi.com
I see the need for something akin to a preferred default positioning, where
when a symbol is rotated there is a place where your prefer your attributes to
be placed.
Have geschem do the auto place template not part of the symbols at all
Steve
On Dec 25, 2010, at 4:48 PM, John Doty
On Saturday 25 December 2010 14:59:14 John Doty wrote:
On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Yup, we're tyrants because we want to make it easier for 99% of our
users to get their jobs done.
But you aren't. A special purpose pcb-centric symbol/footprint library
would be a fine
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 09:23:17PM -0500, Mark wrote:
snip
So, because I use several methods, a single one-size-fits-all library is just
not going to work for me.
I *could* make use of a library of heavy symbols but I still need the
lightweight symbols, too. If I
was forced to choose
Den 2010-12-24 00:38:35 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Value: → Enter ”390k”.
Does it look nice? It certainly does not on my system.
Am I doing this right at all?
May it be related to your OHM sign? I never use it, and
Den 2010-12-24 00:53:38 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:38 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Value: → Enter ”390k”.
Does it look nice? It certainly does not on my system.
Am I doing this right at
On Friday 24 December 2010 10:27:20 Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Den 2010-12-24 00:53:38 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:38 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Value: → Enter ”390k”.
Does it look nice?
Den 2010-12-24 11:30:52 skrev Peter TB Brett pe...@peter-b.co.uk:
On Friday 24 December 2010 10:27:20 Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Den 2010-12-24 00:53:38 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:38 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny
Den 2010-12-24 01:10:55 skrev Stephan Boettcher
boettc...@physik.uni-kiel.de:
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com writes:
Yet another newbie question then:
I tried to enter a value of a resistor
(/usr/share/gEDA/sym/analog/resistor-2.sym, my operating system is
Ubuntu 10.10) but the
Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
type e x, or (Edit-Edit Text) select Middle-Middle alignment
move the alignment mark to the center of the resistor.
I tried that now,since you suggested it. Unfortunately it doesn't work
like I expected: Left seems to mean right, right seems to mean left, upper
footprint = what the pads/holes/silk/wahtever on pcb for this
component look like.
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Johnny Rosenberg
gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
Den 2010-12-24 02:27:33 skrev kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de:
You may take a look at the symbols in http://gedasymbols.org
Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
You may take a look at the symbols in http://gedasymbols.org
Many of them are heavy, meaning, they come with value and
footprint attribute included.
Sorry for my ignorance (English is not my main language), but
what does ”footprint” mean in this situation?
It is
Den 2010-12-24 12:32:36 skrev kai-martin knaak k...@familieknaak.de:
Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
type e x, or (Edit-Edit Text) select Middle-Middle alignment
move the alignment mark to the center of the resistor.
I tried that now,since you suggested it. Unfortunately it doesn't work
like I
Den 2010-12-24 12:34:27 skrev timecop time...@gmail.com:
footprint = what the pads/holes/silk/wahtever on pcb for this
component look like.
Aah… that makes sense. Thanks.
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Johnny Rosenberg
gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote:
Den 2010-12-24 02:27:33 skrev
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 12:22 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
I tried that now,since you suggested it. Unfortunately it doesn't work
like I expected: Left seems to mean right, right seems to mean left, upper
seems to mean lower and lower seems to mean upper. Upper left seems to be
default
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 12:43 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Now I'd like to save my ”new” symbol somewhere.
There is not really a reason to save it, because you have only moved the
text around and modified the alignment mark. OK, added a value
attribute. For the current schematic, you can simple
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 12:32 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote:
The description refer to the position of the alignment mark
relative to the text itself.
For gschem 1.6.1 there is still one strange thing, which I mentioned
years ago on this list, and still do not really understand:
If we rotate
Den 2010-12-24 13:20:39 skrev Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 12:22 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
I tried that now,since you suggested it. Unfortunately it doesn't work
like I expected: Left seems to mean right, right seems to mean left,
upper
seems to mean lower and
Den 2010-12-24 13:37:34 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 12:43 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Now I'd like to save my ”new” symbol somewhere.
There is not really a reason to save it, because you have only moved the
text around and modified the alignment mark.
Stefan Salewski wrote:
If we rotate symbols 180 degree, text is made upright again by
special logic in gschem, so that it may look like the symbol is
not rotated at all. For this invisible rotation, text alignment
mark works wrong, left/right top/bottom is exchanged. This can
confuse
On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:27 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote:
Oh my, a symbol without a value attribute!
I forgot, just how light the default library symbols are.
Can anyone point me to a reason? Why do we distribute the
default library in such a crippled state?
Because the default library is a
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com writes:
Sorry for my ignorance (English is not my main language), but what does
”footprint” mean in this situation? I know the word, just not what it
means in this case…
Getting Started with PCB has a list of terms. I have a copy online
here:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:15:17 -0500
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote:
Yes, a default
library can only be a starting point and cannot fit
everybody's needs. But does the starting point really
have to be so poor that it fits virtually nobody's needs
Well, I was using the valueless passive
Yet another newbie question then:
I tried to enter a value of a resistor
(/usr/share/gEDA/sym/analog/resistor-2.sym, my operating system is Ubuntu
10.10) but the position of the value needs to be adjusted a bit. How can I
do that?
It should look like this:
–––[390kΩ]–––
But it rather
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:00 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Yet another newbie question then:
I tried to enter a value of a resistor
You can change the alignment mark of text, select the text, and select
Edit/Edit Text from menu. In the popup window there is an alignment
field.
Not sure if
Den 2010-12-24 00:08:41 skrev Stefan Salewski m...@ssalewski.de:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:00 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Yet another newbie question then:
I tried to enter a value of a resistor
You can change the alignment mark of text, select the text, and select
Edit/Edit Text from
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Value: → Enter ”390k”.
Does it look nice? It certainly does not on my system.
Am I doing this right at all?
May it be related to your OHM sign? I never use it, and I do not see it
often in professional sheets. It ok if you want
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:38 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 00:31 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Value: → Enter ”390k”.
Does it look nice? It certainly does not on my system.
Am I doing this right at all?
Ah, now I understand you problem:
You want to place
Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com writes:
Yet another newbie question then:
I tried to enter a value of a resistor
(/usr/share/gEDA/sym/analog/resistor-2.sym, my operating system is
Ubuntu 10.10) but the position of the value needs to be adjusted a
bit. How can I do that?
It
Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
Here's what I do:
Draw a resistor somewhere (Add component → Basic devices →
resistor-2.sym).
Oh my, a symbol without a value attribute!
I forgot, just how light the default library symbols are.
Can anyone point me to a reason? Why do we distribute the
default library
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