Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread ant elder
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 22:45, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Nov 23, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 20:47, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: ... OK - Have they

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Marcel Offermans
On 24 Nov 2010, at 4:29 , Michael MacFadden wrote: I agree, there are other wave implementations popping up, some of which include wave in the name and some don't. Lightwave for example is one such project. I think that Apache Wave and the Wave in a Box product should be fine.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Chris Harvey
Lightwave? http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/ No, he's referring to Torben Weis' lightwave: http://code.google.com/p/lightwave/ -- Chris iotawave.org Singapore

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik
+1 I am so happy that after all considerations and suggestions that were floated in the Wave community, you guys picked Apache as the place to develop Wave community and WIAB. Good luck and let me know if you need extra mentors (you already have 4, so I figured you are covered and didn't add

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
+1 (non-binding) On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org wrote: +1 I am so happy that after all considerations and suggestions that were floated in the Wave community, you guys picked Apache as the place to develop Wave community and WIAB. Good luck and let

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Ate Douma
+1 Regards, Ate On 23/11/10 21:16, Dan Peterson wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. The draft proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied below) A wave is a hosted, live,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Vincent Siveton
+1 @Dan if you need one more mentor, you could count me in. Vincent 2010/11/23 Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. The draft proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Ian Boston
+1 Would be happy to help of you need any (and if I can find time) Ian On 23 Nov 2010, at 20:16, Dan Peterson wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. The draft proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread dsh
+1 (non-binding) Cheers Daniel On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. The draft proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous. My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to forbid the use of real-time communications in

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous. My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I can tell,

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 11/24/10 3:18 PM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:02, Benson Marguliesbimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Marguliesbimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I am

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Instead of continuing this thread, I'd invite any of you to start watching the isis dev list, and report in if you see evidence of a failure to respect the core values that underly this argument. Isis has several mentors. I am only one. The mentors, in general, felt that the project had a strong

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...So, it is clear to me that the IPMC and the Foundation do *not* have an established consensus the forbids any podling from ever having a phone conference... Absolutely agreed, in the same way that we cannot

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Michael MacFadden
The lightwave project I was referring to is over at google code: http://code.google.com/p/lightwave/ ~Michael On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Marcel Offermans wrote: On 24 Nov 2010, at 4:29 , Michael MacFadden wrote: I agree, there are other wave implementations popping up, some of which

Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

2010-11-24 Thread Yeliz Eseryel
I like your view on this. I hope things are going well? I now work in Groningen, the Netherlands. Yeliz. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Glen Daniels g...@thoughtcraft.com wrote: +1 as usual to Benson's extremely reasonable and pleasantly snarky viewpoint. While I do see the dangers of

[DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Some reading the thread on the ISIS podling's use of Skype may feel that I am dismissing their opinions or disregarding an established policy. To do penance for any perceived slight, and to make it perfectly clear that it is my intention to respect established policy, I am starting this thread

Minor confusion on the IP clearance front ...

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
I find myself, for the first time, in the position of being the go-to mentor for a new launch. Last time around, the other mentors were so enthusiastic that I didn't have to do anything except type up the first three INFRA JIRAs. I'm trying to get my head wrapped around the IP clearance process.

Re: Minor confusion on the IP clearance front ...

2010-11-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Benson, On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I find myself, for the first time, in the position of being the go-to mentor for a new launch. Last time around, the other mentors were so enthusiastic that I didn't have to do anything except type up the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Dan Peterson dpeter...@google.com wrote: Hello all, We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator. The draft proposal is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied below) +1 (a

RE: [VOTE] Accept Jena into the incubator

2010-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
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RE: [DISCUSS] Poddling new committer process

2010-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ok its been nearly a week and there is overwhelming support for doing this so I have gone ahead and made an update to the PPMC guide to reflect this [policy change]. Let's remember to add this to next month's Board report. --- Noel

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Dan Peterson
Hi Andrus, Thanks for your support. I think this'll be a good home for Wave to grow and mature. I've taken the liberty of adding you on the mentor list. :) Cheers, -Dan On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.orgwrote: +1 I am so happy that after all

RE: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making. Did you see Greg's e-mail? Just bring a summary of discussion points back

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation

2010-11-24 Thread Dan Peterson
Ian, Cool -- I imagine this project could be rather useful for some of your education projects. -Dan On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Ian Boston i...@tfd.co.uk wrote: +1 Would be happy to help of you need any (and if I can find time) Ian On 23 Nov 2010, at 20:16, Dan Peterson wrote:

RE: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Upayavira
There's something we need to watch out for here about how the incubator works. The incubator is a place for podling members to learn, and learning is something *they* do. Our part is to provide encouragement and guidance as appropriate, and to allow podlings to make mistakes. That is an important

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Siegfried Goeschl
Hi folks, could you stop believing in a conspiracy taking place at the Apache Isis incubator project where a bunch of Isis member plus a few obscure mentors are trying to subvert the Apache Software Foundation by having a Skype session?! Get real - some of the concerns are justified and well

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 11/24/10 7:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The premise of this discussion is that running Apache projects are *permitted* to engage in real-time communications, so long as they take due care to avoid community problems of exclusion and closed decision making. Did you see Greg's e-mail? Just

Re: [DISCUSS] real-time communications

2010-11-24 Thread Jeremy Carroll
On 11/24/2010 3:58 PM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: But this is like if you are working in an office in front of a collegue : most of the time, you don't chit-chat, you work. And when it comes to make a decision impacting the whole project, then the discussion is moved to the ML. In the Jena