Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2006-02-22 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 +1 Carsten -- Carsten Ziegeler - Open Source Group, SN AG

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2006-02-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
I think that this is the longest active running [vote] thread on an apache list of all time... It was started on Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:49:14 GMT Noel, can you please tally the votes? :) Davanum Srinivas wrote: +1 On 2/21/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2006-02-21 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 - -- #kenP-)} Ken

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2006-02-21 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 On 2/21/06, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-23 Thread Craig L Russell
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Ted Leung
+1 On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. --- Noel

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
+1 Carsten Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. --- Noel -Original Message-

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Craig L Russell
Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apache?I thought that after a -1 the discussion started again on the disagreements.I'm still looking for an

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Excuse me, but don't we have a -1 on this vote thread already? Is the idea to get Dain to change his vote by piling on more +1? Or have I completely missed the Tao of the voting process in Apache? I thought that after a -1 the discussion

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: I'm still looking for an ISO 2000-able mechanism (repeatable, documented, understandable) to migrate the email lists in the incubator domain to the eventual TLP domain without losing threads, context, etc. I see that Cocoon apparently has

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-21 Thread Greg Stein
+1 On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. ---

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +0 (...) There has been some

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Give me a break. No. The incubator PMC has given breaks before and it let to undesired side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore. I'm not trying to hide anything. In general, when discussing policy or a general

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread James Strachan
-0 for the same reason as Cliff; I'd much rather folks not have to change mail lists (even if its not hard for infrastructure to change). There is already a status file so its obvious to anyone who cares what the status is of a project, I don't see why we need to force email addresses to

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Dain Sundstrom
On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:13 AM, Leo Simons wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Give me a break. No. The incubator PMC has given breaks before and it let to undesired side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore. I'm not trying to hide anything.

RE: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Leo Simons wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Changing a mailing list is stil painful further downstream. Eg with the MARC archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or whatever. We don't support any of those. We provide the raw and mod_mbox archives, and those are what we support. As you said, there

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: Offering an alternate proposal as part of a vote thread after the discussion has taken place already where one did not participate *is* anything else by the way. What I didn't like is the very fact that someone out-of- the-blue proposes

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Noel J. Bergman wrote: We don't support any of those. Who's we? As a user, I still prefer marc over mail-archives a real lot and am happy about any Apache project that's available on Marc. But, actually, I replied because your response made me angry. You (choose between You as in We, or

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread Martin Cooper
On 12/20/05, Jochen Wiedmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: We don't support any of those. Who's we? The Apache Software Foundation. Those other archives are maintained outside of the ASF, by people who most likely have no affiliation with the ASF. Therefore, the ASF

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-20 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Changing a mailing list is stil painful further downstream. Eg with the MARC archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or whatever. We don't support any of those. We provide the raw and mod_mbox archives, and those are what

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
-1 I prefer to have a new sub project associated with the TLP community and use a footer to note incubation status. BTW would [EMAIL PROTECTED] or activemq-dev- [EMAIL PROTECTED] be ok, since they contain the word incubate? -dain On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi,-0 (non-binding)Not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but:Are we really sure that it's that easy changing an email alias at graduation time? Unlike svn repos that only a few folks use, mailing lists are widespread. Have you thought about exactly how to transition from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:11:05AM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote: BTW would [EMAIL PROTECTED] or activemq-dev- [EMAIL PROTECTED] be ok, since they contain the word incubate? Nope - it still seems like you're trying to hide that a project is under incubation. Keeping projects under incubation

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Eddie O'Neil
I can speak from our Beehive experience moving from Incubator to TLP. When we graduated, Infra successfully migrated all of our: beehive-list@incubator.apache.org into: list@beehive.apache.org including all of our subscribers and message history. Thanks, much Infra! :) The

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. -1 (non-binding) I don't have the

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Dain Sundstrom
Give me a break. I'm not trying to hide anything. You have a goal to make sure that no one is confused about the status of an incubating project, and you have a proposal that you believe works for mailing lists. I am suggesting alternate proposal. If you don't like my proposal, simply

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-19 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 12/17/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. -0, and here's why: - I think

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread Mads Toftum
On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. Absolutely - it is very

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
+1 Helps keeps things organized... anything that helps there is good these days... On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Dec 17, 2005, at 11:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. +1

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread David Crossley
Noel Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. -David

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 23:49 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. +1. Sanjiva.

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-18 Thread Erik Abele
On 18.12.2005, at 05:49, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1. Cheers, Erik smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

[VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

2005-12-17 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 from me. On 12/17/05, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please vote on the following: New mailing lists should be created under the @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project resources, e.g., the web site and SVN subtree. +1 from me. ---