On 06/03/2011 03:58 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM,robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Corporate assignments are notorious at the ASF for disappearing
communities. Sometimes, there is momentum to keep going, often
times there is not. Communities are based on individuals.
Steve,
In the interest of completeness, please point out that folks from IBM
did join and work on Axis2 which was a complete rewrite from scratch,
got that integrated into other Apache projects like Geronimo.
thanks,
dims
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Steve,
Am 07.06.2011 15:27, schrieb Steve Loughran:
[...]
The issue with corporate reassignments is that everyone just
vanishes. They get reassigned, and go away. In OSS, individuals tend
to drift off, go onto what else interests them, or whatever. The
turnover/year may be the same,
Hi Steve,
Am 07.06.2011 15:27, schrieb Steve Loughran:
[...]
The issue with corporate reassignments is that everyone just
vanishes. They get reassigned, and go away. In OSS, individuals tend
to drift off, go onto what else interests them, or whatever. The
turnover/year may be the same,
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote on 06/03/2011 06:14:56 PM:
I would love to see all work in one big project - read all my pleas in
the OpenOffice.org
I don't see any of this discussion about numbers being helpful, only
divisive. My numbers are right. No, they're not. See? But those numbers
are too small.
Get over it already, people. Find something substative to discuss.
-g
On Jun 3, 2011 1:22 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
I don't see any of this discussion about numbers being helpful, only
divisive. My numbers are right. No, they're not. See? But those numbers
are too small.
Get over it already, people. Find something substative to discuss.
Agreed... if we
Hi Rob, all,
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote (02-06-11 21:34)
If you claim to have 200 developers working on LO
then I suspect this is with a very low level of engagement.
I know several people that started with really tiny contributions for
LibreOffice in the past months but just evolved to
Reality is what matters. So let's make the best reality possible :-)
On 3 Jun 2011 23:15, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Hi Rob, all,
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote (02-06-11 21:34)
If you claim to have 200 developers working on LO
then I suspect this is with a very low level...
I know
Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote on 06/03/2011 06:14:56 PM:
I would love to see all work in one big project - read all my pleas in
the OpenOffice.org time. But reality tells me that is not going to
happen.
I would like to see this as well, everyone working on a single code base.
The is
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote on 06/03/2011 06:14:56 PM:
I would love to see all work in one big project - read all my pleas in
the OpenOffice.org time. But reality tells me that is not going to
happen.
I would like to see
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I'd like to think that no one is working on LibreOffice merely because
they have no choice, or that giving everyone a choice is seen as being
antagonistic. If truly 100% of the LibreOffice members prefer TDF to
Apache, then you
Hello Jim,
2011/6/2 Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I'd like to think that no one is working on LibreOffice merely because
they have no choice, or that giving everyone a choice is seen as being
antagonistic. If truly 100% of
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
To answer Jim's email, I think that while OOo and LibreOffice don't have to
be competitors, I would not necessarily want to decide why we should split
development efforts. I 'm sure the Apache Foundation has experience in
dealing with
Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote on 06/02/2011 11:06:54 AM:
On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:40 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
I'd like to think that no one is working on LibreOffice merely because
they have no choice, or that giving everyone a choice is seen as being
Hi,
Le 2 juin 11 à 17:16, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice
project has any real development ressources. I see so far one
developer and
Rob, who I know to be a distinguished engineer from IBM but who has
never
contributed
I don't think these statistics have any real relevance to the goal of
evaluating the Proposal and whether it makes sense.
Whether somebody has committed or not, the only question is do they
have an interest in being part of the community?
Whether one group has more committers than the other
Hi,
Le 2 juin 11 à 17:57, Greg Stein a écrit :
Whether one group has more committers than the other doesn't matter
either. There are Apache projects with just a half-dozen people
working on them. That is sufficient for the Foundation, so we can
just ignore number comparisons.
I fully
Hello Eric,
2011/6/2 eric b eric.bach...@free.fr
Hi,
Le 2 juin 11 à 17:16, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice
project has any real development ressources. I see so far one developer
and
Rob, who I know to be a distinguished
On 02/06/2011 16:22, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
...
I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice
project has any real development ressources. I see so far one developer and
Rob, who I know to be a distinguished
charles.h.sch...@gmail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 11:16:45 AM:
I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice
project has any real development ressources. I see so far one developer
and
Rob, who I know to be a distinguished engineer from IBM but who has
never
Hello Rob,
2011/6/2 robert_w...@us.ibm.com
charles.h.sch...@gmail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 11:16:45 AM:
I do have a question though. To me it's unclear whether the Openoffice
project has any real development ressources. I see so far one developer
and
Rob, who I know to be a distinguished
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
I am certainly not going to enter a debate on licensing, and I think nobody
wants that here. But I just think that there are other ways to cooperate
than pretending the elephant in the room
One simple example: Imagine the Apache project as the core
guts of OOo, the framework. With TDF working on parts
that extend and enhance OOo, in a modular fashion, for
a particular set of end-users... or something like that.
+1
Best,
Jomar
On 6/2/2011 11:07 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 02/06/2011 16:22, Jim Jagielski wrote:
The initial list has grown and I expect it to continue to; up
until it was announced, no one new about it, so it was kinda
impossible to get a more comprehensive list. Now that people
do know about it, people
charles.h.sch...@gmail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 02:42:11 PM:
No Rob, I don't question your credentials, have not done that, will
never
done that. Both of us know better than having that kind of talk, both of
us
have worked together for years now, at the OASIS and elsewhere. What I'm
Rob,
2011/6/2 robert_w...@us.ibm.com
charles.h.sch...@gmail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 02:42:11 PM:
No Rob, I don't question your credentials, have not done that, will
never
done that. Both of us know better than having that kind of talk, both of
us
have worked together for years now, at
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 15:48, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
...
Well, would you be happy with the second part of the sentence you're
alluding to? To repeat it, LibreOffice and the Document Foundation embody de
facto most of the OpenOffice.org community, and even
Of course I now some more magic than just re-indent a codebase... that
would be to easy to spot wouldn't it ;)
Seriously: I doubt some code analysis or commit log analysis practices
especially if the goal would be to make an assertion about someones
performance. IMHO that leaves a bad taste in an
Oh, totally agree. It is useful as a rough measure, but completely
ignores many other forms of contribution.
*shrug*
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:16, dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote:
Of course I now some more magic than just re-indent a codebase... that
would be to easy to spot wouldn't
dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 04:05:38 PM:
IMHO you should not discuss or question the LO community size
respective its vitality in any way at this place. That's certainly not
the scope of the OpenOffice Apache incubation proposal anyway. The
I disagree. The
On 02/06/2011 21:16, dsh wrote:
Of course I now some more magic than just re-indent a codebase... that
would be to easy to spot wouldn't it ;)
Indeed, I inadvertently found what I believe to be the best approach.
Commit an svn:props change to a template that is an svn:external in 30+
of ASF
dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 04:44:26 PM:
IMHO the project is on track the community just needs to discuss
some more things and sort them out. It is just that I don't even think
it's required to provide proof-points based on questionable
analytics at this point in
Sorry no tab keys involved ... I'd like to indent with spaces :D :D
Cheers
Daniel
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 04:44:26 PM:
IMHO the project is on track the community just needs to discuss
some more
Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 05:45:57 PM:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:55, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
dsh daniel.hais...@googlemail.com wrote on 06/02/2011 04:44:26 PM:
IMHO the project is on track the community just needs to discuss
some more things and sort them
Excellent Rob! FYI Celix [1] entered the inucbator with just one
single initial committer and thus I'd say there's was no point at any
time requiring hundreds of developers backing the proposal.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/celix.html
Cheers
Daniel
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM,
William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote on 06/02/2011 03:22:24
PM:
On 02/06/2011 16:22, Jim Jagielski wrote:
The initial list has grown and I expect it to continue to; up
until it was announced, no one new about it, so it was kinda
impossible to get a more comprehensive list. Now
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote on 06/02/2011 03:22:24
PM:
On 02/06/2011 16:22, Jim Jagielski wrote:
The initial list has grown and I expect it to continue to; up
until it was announced, no one new about it,
Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote on 06/02/2011 08:57:27 PM:
-$scripts_dir/merge-log -p LIBREOFFICE_CREATE.. $outdir/all-lo.log
+$scripts_dir/merge-log --all --since='2011-01-03'
$outdir/all-lo.log
Show 'active' contributors by affiliation - ie. at least one patch
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:07 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote on 06/02/2011 08:57:27 PM:
- $scripts_dir/merge-log -p LIBREOFFICE_CREATE.. $outdir/all-lo.log
+ $scripts_dir/merge-log --all --since='2011-01-03'
$outdir/all-lo.log
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