Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:52 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > Pre-incubator: > > Ant, > Jakarta > > Avalon, > Jakarta > > DB, > Jakarta Thanks for the corrections! > > HTTP Server, Jakarta, Perl, PHP, TCL, XML > > > > Spun out from elsewhere: > > Archiva, > Maven ? Generally this information

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:08 PM Lars Francke wrote: > > Straight to TLP: > > Bahir, DRAT, Kibble, Orc, Serf, STeVe, Whimsy, Zest > > ORC was spun out of Hive as far as I remember. In that sense Bahir was also spun out of Spark, although it added a lot of things after that. -- Marcelo

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Hi Sam Thanks for the rough cut list as it gives me more of the context so I can see where to select projects from for comparison. My thought is to do some analysis with Kibble as I did with my previous paper (summary version is here https://s.apache.org/rguz and full version is here

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Hi - I took Greg’s challenge and did research on the roots. Mailing List Archives are important resources! > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Greg Stein wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:11 PM Julian Hyde wrote: >> >>> Most of the

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Wow - thanks everyone for the feedback. And Sam this is great. Thanks Sharan On 2019/04/01 00:08:47, Sam Ruby wrote: > In March, I wrote a script to find establishment resolutions, and to > scan those resolutions for the word 'incubator': > >

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> On Apr 1, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > I would disagree with your latter statement; they went to TLP based > on oversight, rather than on userbase/impact. I didn’t mean to suggest that we treated them differently because they had a large user base. By “important” I meant

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> > > Straight to TLP: > Bahir, DRAT, Kibble, Orc, Serf, STeVe, Whimsy, Zest > ORC was spun out of Hive as far as I remember.

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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:28 PM Greg Stein wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:11 PM Julian Hyde wrote: > > > Most of the projects mentioned so far have been “internal” > > > Only because all the umbrella-derived projects haven't been mentioned. Most > of that "spin out to a TLP" was done a

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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:11 PM Julian Hyde wrote: > Most of the projects mentioned so far have been “internal” Only because all the umbrella-derived projects haven't been mentioned. Most of that "spin out to a TLP" was done a decade ago, so they've been omitted from discussion. > - code

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Most of the projects mentioned so far have been “internal” - code developed to help run the ASF. “External” projects also go straight-to-TLP and are more important because they have many more users and greater impact on the world. A couple of examples I am aware of have been “refactorings”,

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Hi, On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 1:58 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...I don’t > think it’s common to skip incubation and I’m sure a lot would not be > learned by skipping it The rationale for the very few projects that have gone direct to TLP is that there was nothing to learn. A good example

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:53 PM Dave Fisher wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > That’s a cool table. Does your code look at the resolution tag? Doe we > possibly have some errors in podlings.xml? No, I don't currently look at the resolution tag, but that should be easy enough to add. That should take care

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Hi Sam, That’s a cool table. Does your code look at the resolution tag? Doe we possibly have some errors in podlings.xml? (1) BVal incubated as BeanValidation and here is a snippet from podlings.xml: The Bean Validation project will create an implementation of Bean Validation as

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I've gone ahead and added information from podlings.xml to this data. We have a number of entries which are in podlings.xml but don't contain incubator in their establishment resolution (Tika, Tapestry, Pig, Myfaces...) - Sam Ruby On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 8:08 PM Sam Ruby wrote: > > In March, I

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In March, I wrote a script to find establishment resolutions, and to scan those resolutions for the word 'incubator': https://whimsy.apache.org/incubator/graduated#summary As always, the data is a bit dirty. There are a number of projects that were created before we had establish resolutions,

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Hi Dave Thanks very much for this. I will take a closer look at it and get back to you if I have any questions. Thanks Sharan On 31. 03. 19 20:44, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi Sharan, Despite all of the discussions about why one wants to do this you have your reasons. Greg gives one way to

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Hi Sharan, Despite all of the discussions about why one wants to do this you have your reasons. Greg gives one way to research / tease out this info from Board resolutions. I’ll point out a page which may have the data you need. (Graduations from the Incubator to another TLP do not require a

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if there was not sufficient experience in the PMC to start with. Ross From: Geertjan Wielenga Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 4:51 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org; sha...@apache.org Subject: Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects Ah, OK. I’d

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:43 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > Actually, it is pretty easy to tell. The bottom of the resolution will > say > > something like "". Compare Royale[1] (with a discharge of > responsibilities) > > compared to Serf[2]. > > Perhaps? > > Royale has: > "RESOLVED, that

Re: List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Hi, > Actually, it is pretty easy to tell. The bottom of the resolution will say > something like "". Compare Royale[1] (with a discharge of responsibilities) > compared to Serf[2]. Perhaps? Royale has: "RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to Apache FlexJS encumbered upon the Apache

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:06 AM Greg Stein wrote: > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:57 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > >... > >> there. The board resolutions don’t make it clear if it’s straight TLP or >> not from what I can see > > > Actually, it is pretty easy to tell. The bottom of the resolution will

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:57 AM Justin Mclean wrote: >... > there. The board resolutions don’t make it clear if it’s straight TLP or > not from what I can see Actually, it is pretty easy to tell. The bottom of the resolution will say something like "". Compare Royale[1] (with a discharge of

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Ah, OK. I’d be interested in the outcome of that research too. I don’t think it’s common to skip incubation and I’m sure a lot would not be learned by skipping it. Gj On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 13:44, wrote: > Hi Geertjan > > Thanks for the email and I'm not thinking of doing it at all. > > I'm

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hi, > Does anyone know if there is a list of projects that bypassed incubation? For > example - I know a couple of projects Royale and Kibble that went straight to > TLP. Is there a list anywhere for all projects like this? Not that I know. It’s rare, and there are some that are more

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Hi Sharan, On the top of my mind: Apache STeVe, Apache Whimsy/Whimsical Best regards, Pierre Smits *Apache Trafodion , Vice President* *Apache Directory , PMC Member* Apache Incubator , committer *Apache

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:28 AM Sharan Foga wrote: > Hi All > > Does anyone know if there is a list of projects that bypassed incubation? > For example - I know a couple of projects Royale and Kibble that went > straight to TLP. Is there a list anywhere for all projects like this? Royale was

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Hi Geertjan Thanks for the email and I'm not thinking of doing it at all. I'm planning to do some research for on the embedding of ASF culture and incubator is one of the main way this happens. Sometimes as in the cases of the projects I mentioned, the process is bypassed so one of the

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I would highly recommend that you don’t do this. What would be the reason to go straight to TLP? There’s a lot to learn and many mistakes to make, and speaking from experience, it is best to learn and make mistakes in the incubator, which is precisely its purpose. Gj On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at

List of Projects that went straight to Top Level Projects

Hi All Does anyone know if there is a list of projects that bypassed incubation? For example - I know a couple of projects Royale and Kibble that went straight to TLP. Is there a list anywhere for all projects like this? Thanks Sharan