Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Ceki Gülcü wrote: | At 22:21 17.10.2001 +0200, Endre Stølsvik wrote: | On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Ceki Gulcu wrote: | | | As a coder, I've mentioned before, he's apparently very good. And his | | observations and whatnot are also _insightful_, but nothing more. | |Why not

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Endre Stølsvik
| The thing is that most people who do open source work do it for the | fun/satisfaction of the thing, and engaging in debates with someone who | truly speaks their mind and only compliments your work when its worth | complimenting helps out with that fun/satisfaction thing. I agree. That's not

RE: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Tim Vernum
From: Endre Stølsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] So you (Jakarta) rejected Jboss. I didn't know that. How incredibly smart of you. Ah yes, the incredible science of predicting alternative realities. How do you know that JBoss would have worked within Jakarta? Maybe the JBoss developers

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Ranjit Mathew
Dear All, It's somewhat sad that this discussion has degenerated into a flamefest, rife with personal attacks and orificial metaphors. It's sadder still, Jon, that you quote Paul almost verbatim in your document New Project Proposals (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html) and put

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
You should remove the last paragraph, otherwise +1. At 21:31 17.10.2001 -0700, you wrote: Here is my proposal for new project creation guidelines. I have not linked it into the main site until I can get 3 +1 votes from the PMC and 0 -1 votes from the PMC.

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 08:48 18.10.2001 +0200, you wrote: | Put your project on SourceForget.net. There is another project there that is | now hugely successful that we also rejected here and which I hosted for a | number of years on my own dime, the Jboss project. Hope is not lost. So you (Jakarta) rejected

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Jon Stevens
on 10/18/01 12:18 AM, Ranjit Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's sadder still, Jon, that you quote Paul almost verbatim in your document New Project Proposals (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html) and #1. It is a quote made in a public forum. #2. I also used a quote from Sam and

RE: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
Title: RE: ASPizer Hi Paul! -Mensaje original- De: Paul Ilechko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: jueves 18 de octubre de 2001 0:43 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: RE: ASPizer How can you commit to backing a project over the long term if your company can't get

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-18 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: Here is my proposal for new project creation guidelines. I have not linked it into the main site until I can get 3 +1 votes from the PMC and 0 -1 votes from the PMC. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html I will accept any patches against this document

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Daniel Rall
Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMHO, the commitment from your company is not enough. The company might go under, or shift strategy, or find the product no longer useful. That would leave the product effectively orphaned, in Jakarta land but with nobody willing to

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Thursday, October 18, 2001, at 07:48 AM, Endre Stølsvik wrote: So you (Jakarta) rejected Jboss. I didn't know that. How incredibly smart of you. Think about the synergies between Tomcat and Jboss!!! Wow! Incredible. rejecting jboss was probably good (in the long term) for everybody. jboss

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Thursday, October 18, 2001, at 08:18 AM, Ranjit Mathew wrote: Coming to the issues raised in Jon's document and elsewhere on this thread, I must tell you that this has been a closed-source project so far with no external developer community to speak of. It is still being actively

RE: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Danny Angus
I've followed this thread with interest, I have to say that I think the move to open source for a product has to be independant of any other action. If you aren't commited to releasing your product under an open source licence without the support of Apache it does seem suspicious. If your OS

RE: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Paul Ilechko
Thanks to all the people who came up with helpful suggestions, we'll be looking into our options. Paul. -Original Message- From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ASPizer I've followed this

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-18 Thread Jon Stevens
Sam, I have integrated the changes that you suggested, please take a look. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-18 Thread Sam Ruby
Jon Stevens wrote: Sam, I have integrated the changes that you suggested, please take a look. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html +1 on the proposal - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]