Jon wrote:
I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper for me.
I can't stand XSL...
I'm also a little worried about the size/vocality of the centipede
developer community. Krysalis lists (in the archive) total
53 posts. Maven
dev (includes cvs) has 780, and the user
on 5/1/02 11:58 PM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which basically boils down to let's just invent our own little language
and try to get enough people bragging about it
It isn't a little language... It is Velocity templates using a well
known/used API (DOM4J).
Come on, this isn't
Jon wrote:
Wasn't this entire thing
about community building? So what do we really want: using
technology we
invented on our own, alienating possible new users, or sticking to
common standards?
Using technology that is well supported, developed by a
community of people
who are not
on 5/2/02 12:22 AM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point is that projects are being attacked here *solely* because they
prefer XSLT instead of DVSL.
Where the heck did you see someone being 'attacked'? Geez. People. You need
to quit reading into someone saying THEY don't like XSLT
On 30 Apr 2002, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well I would not be bothered if tomcat had developed a build system
that it packaged as an independent entity with the idea that it
might be more generally useful.
It once had, it was called Ant. 8-)
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Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches
are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs
external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs generating one
etc.
I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper
Leo wrote:
However, the implicit argument home-brewn solutions are worse than
standards simply doesn't always hold true. It doesn't here. Both XSLT
and DVSL are here at Apache, which, for me, is enough of a standard.
Basically, all this is to point out masquerading of egotism
as technical
On 29 Apr 2002, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge
(http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of
Jakarta.
+1
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/2/02 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches
are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs
external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/1/02 11:58 PM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which basically boils down to let's just invent our own little language
and try to get enough people bragging about it
It isn't a little language... It is Velocity templates using a well
known/used API (DOM4J).
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/1/02 11:58 PM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which basically boils down to let's just invent our own little language
and try to get enough people bragging about it
It isn't a little language... It is Velocity templates using a well
known/used API
Guys,
Bottom line (you could probably guess these but it needs to be said):
1. I'll -1 the attempt to switch any project to maven that I have a vote
on unless there is a concerted effort to collaborate on a combined
effort with centipede.
2. I'll -1 anything that REQUIRES me to use DVSL if I
Jason van Zyl wrote:
Hi,
I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge
(http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of
Jakarta.
the voting so far:
Stefan Bodewig +1
Craig McClanahan +1
Diane Holt not voted yet
Conor MacNeill +1
Geir Magnusson Jr. +1
James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I personally have found uses for both. You may notice that for print
documentation in maven we are using XSLT rather than DVSL. At that point
all the generated documents and user documents are in the same
intermediate format and no further access to
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAIN
TING
The language you use for transformation is, in the case of a
Maven/Centipete-type tool, largely internal to the project. Gather some
developers, call a vote, and use what the majority decides. Later on, if
you
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAIN
TING
The language you use for transformation is, in the case of a
Maven/Centipete-type tool, largely internal to the project. Gather some
developers, call a vote, and use what the majority
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
1. I'll -1 the attempt to switch any project to maven that I have a vote
on unless there is a concerted effort to collaborate on a combined
effort with centipede.
Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or centipede on the projects I
have a
on 5/2/02 8:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or centipede on the projects I
have a vote on until they find a way to work togheter.
DVSL may be a nice language, but XSLT is the standard - regardless of how
you play with the word.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
1. I'll -1 the attempt to switch any project to maven that I have a vote
on unless there is a concerted effort to collaborate on a combined
effort with centipede.
Same here, I'll -1 a switch to either maven or
I agree with pretty much everything said, although as
always Jon words it a tad more strongly than I ever
would. :)
Let the community decide. If 51% of the developers
want to use XSL, or DVSL, then that's what you should
use. If you don't like it, prove that your
alternative is better. But
Seems like overkill to stop a project based on the stylesheet technology,
but it's your choice to make.
Its not ONLY the tag language. And its the refusal to collaborate that
really irks me. Furthermore, there model of seperation of centipede
looks nicer. I'd like to see the two ideas
Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all learned
that you can't
force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1 on it. Given our
history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to argue for
something like
that. You hypocrite.
Again and again, the same bullshits.
Jon, take a
GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all learned
that you can't
force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1 on it. Given our
history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to argue for
something like
that. You hypocrite.
Again
People
--
Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming more and more familiar.
Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with Peter Donald (credit to
Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think joining the PMC helped).
because I refuse to adopt things if they don't meet
Jon wrote:
People
--
Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming more and
more familiar.
Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with Peter
Donald (credit to
Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think joining
the PMC helped).
Steven reminds me of Paulo.
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Berin Loritsch wrote:
WIth certain limitations. Where is the Nag entries, etc.?
The nag entries are there now, after it was pointed out yesterday that
they weren't being added. I'm not sure what etc needs to be added to
the descriptor besides that, but I'm sure that we
Cool. I like being funny :-)
Hey, Paulo! Let's meet! We can become friends and switch xsl:templates!
/Steven
Count me in! I was thinking we could rewrite Velocity using a self
expressing XSL-based language, you know make it completely declarative
and have the Java done on the back with
Leo Simons wrote:
(...)
Andrew, consider using the CSS from the Tigris Style project
http://style.tigris.org/. It's a new project, but already in use in
several major OSS code bases, including Maven, Scarab, and Eyebrowse.
I looked at these and they're a major pain in the *** to modify
Jon, take a closer look into tomcat-dev and you'll see that
projects could works together, using others ways in JTC,
coyote, jk/jk2, are the proof that tomcat developpers from
4.x and 3.3.x could works together...
Yeah right... And now where do _I_ stand? Hehehehehe :)
Near me my friend ;)
Jon calling me 'hypocrite'
That is a bit funny, at least after reading his arguments on this thread.
( and how this thread started, and all his actions on this subject ).
Well, as I said I will vote -1 on any switch to Maven wherever I have a
vote.
I never used ( and I don't plan to use
You guys are so funny.
My name is Hammer. I like to rave!
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on 5/2/02 11:52 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I need something that supports XSL in my build framework
Somehow I doubt that.
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on 5/2/02 12:23 PM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin, just like with Tomcat 3 vs. Tomcat 4. We all learned
that you can't
force projects to work together. Nor can you vote -1 on it. Given our
history, I'm really surprised to hear you trying to argue for
something like
that. You
on 5/2/02 12:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I never used ( and I don't plan to use ) Anakia
How did you generate this diff?
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-site2/docs/site/binindex.html.dif
f?r1=1.70r2=1.71
Come on Costin, you keep shooting yourself in your foot.
I´m using Tomcat 4.0.3 and Apache 1.3.2 and the Tomcat´s invoker doesn´t call my
servlets. I think that i´ve already done everything, where i can get a good howto
about?
With best wishes,
Edson Alves Pereira
__
Your
You're still missing the point ... The main detail to me is I'd like to
use a combined collaborated project... I'd -1 solely on that.
Centipede more completely fits MY needs and will make it easier for me
to work with several projects that I need (not just tlaking about
xsl)... I'd -1
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 5/2/02 1:25 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And because if we just use all jon's pet projects only jon would get
anything done ;-)
Maven isn't my pet project.
I just like it cause it works for me.
-jon
And if the two were to work together as Ken
Jon wrote:
on 5/2/02 11:52 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I need something that supports XSL in my build framework
Somehow I doubt that.
-jon
I will submit this thread as background material for my JSR proposal
based upon the existing JSR-57: Long-Term Persistence for
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Sure, the developers are working together on *some* stuff, but the core
products they are not and my original Tomcat arguments were that it was lame
to have two different containers. I got proven wrong from the point of view
that enough people wanted T3 to survive. I
Steven Noels wrote:
Jon wrote:
on 5/2/02 11:52 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. I need something that supports XSL in my build framework
Somehow I doubt that.
-jon
I will submit this thread as background material for my JSR proposal
based upon the existing JSR-57: Long-Term
Edson Alves Pereira wrote:
I´m using Tomcat 4.0.3 and Apache 1.3.2 and the Tomcat´s invoker doesn´t call my
servlets. I think that i´ve already done everything, where i can get a good howto
about?
You happened to jump into the fire of a project join/split discussion.
I'd strongly
Pedantic, I know, but here goes anyway:
Leo wrote:
Avalon currently uses cocoon (sort of an eat-your-own-dogfood
case), and
other developers would like this to stay that way. There is a tool(4)
that does the same thing as the jakarta project, created by
people from
xml.apache. The tool
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From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: You guys are so funny.
You're still missing the point ... The main detail to me is I'd like to
use a combined collaborated
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I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Microsoft did not get where it was by using
On 5/2/02 10:10 AM, Martin Poeschl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason van Zyl wrote:
Hi,
I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge
(http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of
Jakarta.
the voting so far:
Stefan Bodewig +1
Craig McClanahan +1
Diane
+1
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Why am I so obnoxious about all this? My commercial alter-ego (I did
start up a company 6 months ago, hopefully I will now be respected as a
grown-up ;-) wants to provide such an infrastructure to my customers,
since they are going already through the pain of switching from Cobol to
Java/XML
On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
snip
I'm +1, but I really want to discuss Costin's idea making a subproject
around OJB that allows other db-related projects to 'join' as peers in the
subproject.
From my point of view, having it open like that, and not just
Michael McCallum wrote:
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I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Microsoft did not
(sorry i wanted to delete this rather than send it)
- robert
On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 10:18 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 09:53 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
snip
I'm +1, but I really want to discuss Costin's idea making a subproject
around OJB that
Nope I'm not missing your point. I'm just waiting for the salient points to
come out. This DVSL vs. XSL thing is a complete red herring. You've said:
[Andy]
2. I'll -1 anything that REQUIRES me to use DVSL if I don't want to.
And? Youre point? I don't want to use DVSL. So what?
and
Berin Loritsch says:
There are other dirty underhanded things that M$ did to get where it
is today. Don't try to compare us to M$. We're not M$.
Whenever someone tells me how much MSFT has done for technology, I
can't help but think of how far we might have gotten if MSFT hadn't
been so in
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Berin Loritsch says:
There are other dirty underhanded things that M$ did to get where it
is today. Don't try to compare us to M$. We're not M$.
Whenever someone tells me how much MSFT has done for technology, I
can't help but think of how far we might have
On Thu, 2 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 14:24:58 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You guys are so funny.
Berin Loritsch says:
There are other dirty
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
It seems to me that authors of a build environment that they want
everyone to use would think about going and asking the potential users
(i.e. committers on various other projects) what their requirements are,
before any attempt (by those authors, or by anyone
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
Recently, it was proposed that ObjectBridge be brought to Jakarta as
Berin Loritsch wrote:
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I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the
On 5/2/02 5:28 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Berin Loritsch says:
There are other dirty underhanded things that M$ did to get where it
is today. Don't try to compare us to M$. We're not M$.
Whenever someone tells me how much MSFT has done for
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
You're taking away all the fun :)
Jon said:
On top of it, in *years*, no one has gone and replaced Jakarta-site2 with
anything better. Sure, Craig did a XSLT stylesheet, but no one changed the
main Jakarta site to use it and I still see new Anakia sites on
Sourceforget.net all the time.
Which, I believe, highlights a major
explain exactly WHAT that has to do with this? Who gives a rats behind
about Microsoft. (warning: irony)
-Andy
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 16:52, Michael McCallum wrote:
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You all seemed to miss my point.
M$ does not support standards they make then.
I dont like it but thats the way things work.
I run pure gnu-linux.
If you make something easy to use people use it. It becomes a standard.
Simple.
For complex things
Craig,
great remark...
otherwise: lack of constructive answers to both the outspoken and implicit
questions in this thread make me wonder if those very committers here the
question? want to answer? (I don't dare to question the eagerness to go and
scratch the itch of course :-))
some
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 5:45 PM, Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even the Velocity vs XSLT could be a case for Worse is better :-)
(Seriously, I have been thinking along these lines for the last days)
That's DVSL vs XSLT.
I was slightly off-focus. I was thinking
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Michael McCallum wrote:
I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Microsoft did not get where it was by using
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc
A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a
new top-level project db.apache.org (or insert something more snappy if you
want). So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML,
On 5/2/02 6:09 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it means no more daily messages about object relational mapping tools
on this list...
Right - would keep the list clear for the current important stuff... ;)
then it has my full blessing! I suggest an effort be
made to
I think ojb can do things like map a set of related objects to xml as
well. Its not completely database centered. (I know very little about
ojb, so feel free to dispute that. Just thought I would bring it up in
case those that know better, are tuned out.)
john mcnally
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at
I think I've been saying this long enough. . MERGE MERGE MERGE!
How about we all stop the windbagging and start the code. If you've got an
itch scratch it - lets take this dicsussion to Krysalis-dev, as it's
completely OT here.
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Work:
Berin Writes:
| Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
|
| It seems to me that authors of a build environment that they want
| everyone to use would think about going and asking the potential
users
| (i.e. committers on various other projects) what their requirements
are,
| before any attempt (by
On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I've been saying this long enough. . MERGE MERGE MERGE!
smiling
I can't help sitting here thinking about how the committers on projects
being told to MERGE MERGE MERGE must feel like two young adults whose
parents want them to get married
On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As for people shoving Maven down other people's throats, I'd like to know
where the Maven developers have been doing that. From what I can see the
Maven developers have been fairly balanced.
As I tried to point out in my parenthetical
on 5/2/02 4:57 PM, Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I tried to point out in my parenthetical remark -- it wasn't the Maven
committers who started this whole thing ... it was our favorite iconoclast
himself (Jon), who seems to believe that anything that makes him happy
should
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if
'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to
get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are
the standards.
Standards are funny things. There's always so many to choose
For all the nasty things Microsoft has done over the years, they have also
been pretty good at one particular thing -- asking their customers (and
potential customers) what they want, and listening to the answer.
It seems to me that authors of a build environment that they want
everyone
smirk/ Oddly the centipede side supports collaboration
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 19:53, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I've been saying this long enough. . MERGE MERGE MERGE!
smiling
I can't help sitting here thinking about how the
My understanding is that the Maven guys are totally against merging and
collaborating. So it isn't just jon.
-Andy
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 19:57, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
As for people shoving Maven down other people's throats, I'd
I listen to the following:
Code.
Patches.
Real suggestions for improvement.
MERGE
Intelligent discussion.
duhhh
I don't listen to the following:
Flame wars about technologies used.
so why did you start one
Whiny people who can't learn a new technology.
ant.
Talk is cheap and almost useless, as we've all heard the last two days.
Code/Docs are far more valuable. I believe the usual way is to start with a
cohesive proposal.
agreed. Writing docs for centipede.
As for people shoving Maven down other people's throats, I'd like to know
Dude, do you really need to respond to *every single* piece of mail?
Jeff
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:51 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: You guys are so funny.
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today I do.
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:01, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
Dude, do you really need to respond to *every single* piece of mail?
Jeff
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:51 PM
To: Jakarta General List
on 5/2/02 5:49 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I listen to the following:
Code.
Patches.
Real suggestions for improvement.
MERGE
It is your itch. Not mine.
Whiny people who can't learn a new technology.
I could... I just don't want to learn that
Just thought I would let you know.
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On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 17:33, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general
good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on
something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...)
Thank god.
Sam Ruby wrote:
Just thought I would let you know.
- Sam Ruby
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So much so that there have been no replies to my post on
krysalis-developers.
If you guys are so serious, how about continuing the discussion where it's
appropriate.
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Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
Developers:
So lets do it.
I'm working on the documentation everyone keeps complaining
aboutwatch the commits.
Grab a hammer and lets start talking about how to create an XSL vs DVSL
module. I suggest a cent.
Move to krysalis discussion list for now.
I'm done here.
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:10,
Jon Stevens wrote:
I listen to the following:
Code.
Patches.
Real suggestions for improvement.
Intelligent discussion.
I don't listen to the following:
Flame wars about technologies used.
Whiny people who can't learn a new technology.
Whiny people who only use
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I really wonder why it is that all one has to do is say Microsoft on
any Apache thread and they get 100 responses. I wonder if it works
that
way on whatever-microsoft-related-lists are out there.
Someone needs to update Ellison's Law,
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On Friday, 03 May, 2002 10:00, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
explain exactly WHAT that has to do with this? Who gives a rats behind
about Microsoft. (warning: irony)
Sorry my point was whomever makes the tool easier to use will be the one that is
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc
For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? I do
know what you mean intuitively but there are all sorts of great things
Sam, I asked yesterday or the day before on this list what needs to be
done. I'm waiting on you for a reply. I'm an active developer on maven.
Yesterday we added the nag tags in that were requested.
Actually (to keep everything honest) they didn't quite work out the way
I expected and have
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edson Alves Pereira) writes:
I´m using Tomcat 4.0.3 and Apache 1.3.2 and the Tomcat´s invoker
doesn´t call my servlets. I think that i´ve already done
everything, where i can get a good howto about?
Be sure you are using Catalina's default web.xml (by placing it
dIon Gillard wrote:
I don't see how we can be more accomodating other than downloading,
installing and running our own Gump. From talking to Vincent on that,
it's
not a simple process, hence we are relying on the Gump developers to tell
us where we're going wrong.
Look at it from my
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
As I tried to point out in my parenthetical remark -- it wasn't the Maven
committers who started this whole thing ... it was our favorite iconoclast
himself (Jon), who seems to believe that anything that makes him happy
should make everybody
On 2 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Okay now I'm really done with the conversation
If only you were...
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Sam,
His experience suggests that the Krysalis, Centipede, and Forrest have
been
very accommodating, so the ideal situation would be for an active
developer
on Maven to step forward.
Sam, I asked yesterday or the day before on this list what needs to be
done. I'm waiting on you for a reply.
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Sam,
I hear you. I understand where you're coming from. I can also see that
there are diverging ideas on project descriptors which have been solved in
two ways:
1) Augment with namespace definitions, and
2) Generate from different document.
The bottom line is that as long as
Gee thanks Costin. How to alienate a group of people in one easy lesson.
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on 5/2/02 7:42 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but there must have been a reason why a different DTD was
chosen than Gump's. I made an effort to document the Gump data definitions
and there certainly is plenty of instance data to look at. Tell me what to
change, tell me what's wrong,
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