Not necessarily true, I've worked on applications where a servers ability to
dynamically create M$ documents is a cool feature, imagine a servelet which
returned an xls workbook reporting on data from an ODBC datasource (maybe
sales figures or contact details), people in M$ centered offices lap
Ted Husted wrote:
At this point, I'm reconciled to do more work on the Jakata site using
XML in the old-fashioned way.
I can't resonate more with your feelings. That's exactly what made me
started the 'forrest' effort: the coherence on xml.apache.org and the
ease of update has been slowly
As a newbie (only 1.5 years around) I found the small bio posted by
Stefano on the Cocoon-dev list very interesting and instructive.
This post was triggered by curiosity and know-your-community concerns
that popped up in a couple of Cocoon-dev threads less than 2 months
ago. IMO, the fact that
Here we go again,
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:45 AM
Playing Devil's advocate. I think it's fair to push back on adding things
to Jakarta...
On 1/5/02 9:53 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/6/02 12:18 PM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here we go again,
Alas.
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:45 AM
Playing Devil's advocate. I think it's fair to push back on adding things
to
Again...
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:14 PM
On 1/6/02 12:11 PM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... Lots of is it server or is it client talk ...
I just mean that sometimes saying that something is
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:14, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
BTW, do you know they use Velocity for something???
Who, POI?
Cocoon have a VelocityGenerator (the first stage in their XML transformation
pipeline).
--
Cheers,
Pete
--
you've made a
Answer inline
-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 3:53 AM
...
I can not express this POV better than Linus did in posts reported
by
this article:
http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398
Any corporation
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
In my mind, all this long trail of thoughs yields the following
equation:
metacommunity size * community coherence * individual freedom =
constant
in result, if we unify the two projects, we double the size of the
metacommunity and we must pay the price of
At 10:40 AM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
I would also like to personally commend Jon with his efforts to better
document Jakarta. He has put a lot into the Web site (probably 90%), and
we all owe him a great debt.
-Ted.
Despite Jon's candid remarks, as you put it, Ted, I too would like him to
Hi Paulo,
IMO Andrew puts the finger on why POI is only used on a server.
good!
One of my 2 interests (the other is indexing)
on POI is exactly the
typical one he describes:
- I want to be able build Word and Excel documents on a Web Server
without going back to use MS IIS and COM
Hello,
Each structure has a cost depending on his level of organization. I think
there is today to many project in the jakarta and the xml project. I feel
confuse about finding the right information at the right place. And I think
it's high time to merge xml and jakarta.
The way java is
At 15:31 05.01.2002 +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
[Snip]
In my mind, all this long trail of thoughs yields the following
equation:
metacommunity size * community coherence * individual freedom = constant
This equation is misleading. Coherence and individual freedom are
not inversely
Chris,
I think you are confusing project categorization with project community. These things
are very much unrelated. Regards, Ceki
At 23:44 05.01.2002 +0100, you wrote:
Hello,
Each structure has a cost depending on his level of organization. I think
there is today to many project in the
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
IMHO, XML does not and will never have a community as long as two of
its most important projects directly compete with each other. The
success of one is related with the failure of the other. XML
Community? Won't happen in a million years. How the did Crimson
become an
At 18:02 05.01.2002 -0500, you wrote:
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
IMHO, XML does not and will never have a community as long as two of
its most important projects directly compete with each other. The
success of one is related with the failure of the other. XML
Community? Won't happen in a million
on 1/5/02 3:02 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look closely, Xerces 2 is the designated successor to *both* Xerces 1 and
Crimson. The developers *are* working together. I won't pretend that
everything is 100% smooth sailing, but significant progress is being made.
Yea...just like
Not that I should have much of a role in this discussion but I'd like to
contribute some thoughts stemming from an offline discussion I had.
I think this discussion is still missing the point. There are a lot of
outsider articles on what is wrong with Apache these days, most of
them refer to
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI
@apache]
on 1/5/02 3:02 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look closely, Xerces 2 is the designated successor to *both*
Xerces
[was Re: [Request For Comment] POI
@apache]
Not that I should have much of a role in this discussion but I'd like to
contribute some thoughts stemming from an offline discussion I had.
I think this discussion is still missing the point. There are a lot of
outsider articles on what is wrong
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It's my understanding that Apache Projects' unity of purpose is
to encourage a collaborative, consensus-based development process
What does that exactly mean?
Perhaps Stefano's original preamble said it best
http://java.apache.org/main/constitution.html
On 1/5/02 7:28 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not trying to be combative - I have watched this thread (and
participated) with growing discomfort. I have to say that I think that
bringing XML and Jakarta together might destroy the thing we are
supposedly
trying to 'save' (again, I
On 1/5/02 9:53 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/5/02 7:28 PM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not trying to be combative - I have watched this thread (and
participated) with growing discomfort. I have to say that I think that
bringing XML and Jakarta together
Playing Devil's advocate. I think it's fair to push back on adding things
to Jakarta...
On 1/5/02 9:53 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please read these posts and then tell me where you're not clear?
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg02681.html
-Original Message-
From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:16 PM
...
Under the hood, I imagine that POI has more in common with things like
FOP than things like Lucene.
I fail to understand why you assume this. Why?
I do not see POI making
on 1/4/02 9:14 AM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can agree with Paulo, POI is about generating/reading documents with a
particular foramt, and that is very useful to jakarta and xml. I
believe that if it came to Apache, if would belong under Jakarta, being
a Java tool, and more
Jon Stevens wrote:
I'm not interested in bringing new projects into Jakarta when we are as
fucked up as we are today. It is utter anarchy here and I don't think that
is good. People can't even follow the rules we have *defined*.
People, it isn't about code standards, that is just the
Sam Ruby wrote:
1) Perhaps we need to use the bug tracking system for PMC issues. That
would be a welcome improvement. Anybody care to take this one?
Makes sense to me -- Can we list it as PMC/Site2 ?
Do I have karma to add this to bugzilla myself?
-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com,
on 1/4/02 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) Related to POI. As long as they know the current state of Jakarta and
can make an informed decision, and meet all the criteria described in
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html, then they have my +1.
After all, what good
on 1/4/02 4:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That makes me wonder about the real causes of this whole fucking mess
and jakarta is fucked up today feelings of yours...
Of course. I forgot. I'm always wrong. Sorry.
-jon
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:13, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I'm writing, at the recommendation of Stefano Mazzocchi, in hopes of
drawing discussion and perhaps later a vote on the creation of a new
Jakarta subproject based on the POI project (http://poi.sourceforge.net
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:20, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
I'm also a bit surprised/disappointed that no other PMC members have
commented...leaving me to be the one who has to say something *again*. I
guess discussion about code formatting is taking up everyone's time/energy.
Some of us need more
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Comments?
Why is it appropriate for Jakarta? That's the missing piece for me. You
said that the Cocoon community is excited about it, it could be important
for data conversion in XML land...
The missing piece might be that this library is general enough to be
On 1/3/02 8:21 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Comments?
Why is it appropriate for Jakarta? That's the missing piece for me. You
said that the Cocoon community is excited about it, it could be important
for data conversion in XML land...
The
on 1/3/02 5:31 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Exactly, ignoring M$ doesn't make it go away. I would say the opposite:
there are tons of companies that base their document systems on M$
software and would like to move to a more open world but they simply
can't afford loosing
on 1/3/02 10:15 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Andrew remarks, it goes quite well with Lucene. It opens the door
to interesting synergies like:
Slide + Lucene + HTML+PDF+Word+Excel = indexed repository of the
most popular
You are right. I agree 100% with what you say here.
My remark is no argument.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message-
From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:35 PM
on 1/3/02 10:15 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As
on 1/2/02 6:13 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry for the repost, I realized that I'd incorrectly labeled the
post a reply (re:) and thought some folks may have not seen it because
of that. A quick update, POI is the #10 project on sourceforge this
morning.
It sounds like
It sounds like your project is plenty successful where it is.
True. However, because the vision for the project involves and would
benefit both directly and indirectly several existing Apache projects, I
feel it would be easier to collaborate if POI was a Jakarta project.
The project will of
Please, keep me copied since I'm not currently subscribed to
general@jakarta
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I don't see any convincing reason to bring POI to Jakarta, unless I see
that
you have a Jakarta PMC member champion your cause. Stefano's
recommendation
to you isn't enough, he or someone
On 1/2/02 7:47 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, keep me copied since I'm not currently subscribed to
general@jakarta
Why not ? :)
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I don't see any convincing reason to bring POI to Jakarta, unless I see
that
you have a Jakarta PMC member
Hi,
I'm writing, at the recommendation of Stefano Mazzocchi, in hopes of
drawing discussion and perhaps later a vote on the creation of a new
Jakarta subproject based on the POI project (http://poi.sourceforge.net
http://sourcefoge.net/projects/poi).
The POI project consists of an API for
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