I like to totally endorse Leo's points about the Avalon PMC, My experience with James
PMC is very, very similar.
James PMC is by and large the whole set of commiters who were active in discussions
about the project, rather than just the code. From that POV nothing much has changed,
we're a bit
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 19/2/03 23:10 Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think anyone expects that upon becoming a PMC member one would
immediately need to gain and maintain intimate knowledge of all corners
of the jakarta codebases. It is just about humanly impossible. So it is
And if that works for Italy, I
believe it works everywhere else...
Erm, are you really suggesting that Italian politics should be the model we emulate?
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Unless I am mistaken, being a PMC member implies an overseing role for the
whole of jakarta,
No, not quite, IMHO. The PMC as a *whole* has an oversight role for the
whole of Jakarta but individual PMC members do not need to oversee all of
Jakarta. In fact this is the
Conor MacNeill wrote:
purely PMC role. All releases of Jakarta sub-projects must be approved by
the PMC. This isn't something that has been done in Jakarta to date,
One good first step in this direction would be to at least Cc: the pmc
list on all [Vote result] messages, so all pmc should be
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to
the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons
HttpClient where all committers vote on all issues all the time,
including releases. HttpClient is somewhat unusual in commons as
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for
Commons HttpClient where all committers vote on all issues all the
time, including releases. HttpClient is somewhat unusual in commons
as it is rather a
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for
Commons HttpClient where all committers vote on all issues all the
time,
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I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members
voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the
release prime for
Commons HttpClient where all committers vote on
all issues all the
time, including releases.
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
The goal is to make all active committers PMC members.
Would it be quicker just to make all active committers PMC members by
default?
If the idea is that every release-manager
If the implication is that release management =
project management, I don't agree. Typically there
can only be one release manager, but it's takes lots
of people to keep a project going. Certainly every
release manager should forward themselves as PMC
nominees, but the body of qualified
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for
Commons HttpClient where all committers vote
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to
the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons
It is not to the exclusion of active committers.
Http-client is part of jakarta-commons - and acording to the charter any
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 11:42 PM, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
Yesterday I received the Jakarta Monthly Newsletter. Interesting as
always,
until I got to the section on PMC nominations. There, I suddenly found my
name listed as elected to the Jakarta PMC. This came as a complete
It is not to the exclusion of active committers.
Http-client is part of jakarta-commons - and acording to the charter any
jakarta-commons committer ( which is close to all jakarta ) can vote.
As you probably know - only those who are really interested do that.
I agree that we're not yet ready
Completely agree. We should see what the new PMC roles/responsibilites
are before accepting PMC membership.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 11:42 PM, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
Yesterday I received the Jakarta Monthly Newsletter. Interesting as
always,
until I
robert burrell donkin wrote:
actively inviting new PMC members to join is something that i think
should be done.
in the same way that a developer receives a letter from apache (after a
successful vote) inviting them to become a committer, i'd say that
committers who have been voted onto the
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount
of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta gives
out committer-ship like candy. With HTTPD, a track record of
approximately
On 19/2/03 17:18 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to
the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons
HttpClient where all committers vote on all issues all the time,
including
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable
amount of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta
gives out
At 15:41 19.02.2003 -0500, you wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount
of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta gives
out committer-ship like candy. With
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 19/2/03 17:18 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The goal is to make all active committers PMC members.
I think this is utterly wrong for an umbrella project like Jakarta.
Interesting. 100% of the ASF board members that I have talked to have
given me exactly the
One good first step in this direction would be to at least Cc: the pmc
list on all [Vote result] messages, so all pmc should be aware of
the decisions made.
It is important to emphasize *result*. Not to be discouraging but you
could quickly overwhelm the PMC with threads of discussion
Talk less. Nominate more.
-Andy
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Hi peeps,
I am on the avalon PMC. I was a bit scared of the idea of being a PMC
member at first, thinking about all the additional responsibility and
all the additional things I would need to do.
Guess what? No need for that at all! The additional responsibility
being on a PMC entails wasn't
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
So, unless this:
The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and success of the Jakarta
Project. This governing body is expected to ensure the project's welfare and
guide its overall direction.
Changes to identify that individual PMC members might have oversight
Ceki Gülcü wrote:
By the way, when are the next membership nominations?
Martin Poeschl wrote:
how does someone become an ASF member?
i know, by nomination from another member .. but when does that ever
happen??
This is scheduled to coincide with members meetings which, in turn, are
On 19/2/03 21:31 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 19/2/03 17:18 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The goal is to make all active committers PMC members.
I think this is utterly wrong for an umbrella project like Jakarta.
Interesting. 100% of the ASF board
On 19/2/03 23:00 Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guess what? No need for that at all! The additional responsibility
being on a PMC entails wasn't additional at all.
Avalon is ONE project... Jakarta, I can't count them with my hands AND feet.
Pier
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 19/2/03 21:31 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is not a convincing enough argument to make me change my point of view.
Pier
Fair enough.
I think it is fair to interpret the paragraph you quoted
The PMC is responsible for the strategic direction and
On 20/2/03 2:34 Conor MacNeill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A bit like
saying the government is responsible for running the country. That doesn't
mean every minister will have expertise in every portfolio
Ministers might not know the details, but know the overall direction and
actions of all the
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
...
Now, under Jakarta, there might be projects on which one might like to be
involved and spend time on (therefore bearing the responsibilities of
being a PMC member over _that_ particular code base), but there might be
project that one don't want to be even remotely
Ok, now that I understand better how a PMC nomination works,
it looks like I have to say something about me besides just
saying that I accept - which I do.
I work on software development for almost 15 years and I
only started using Apache software less than 2 years ago. I
got addicted very
After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.
Lol. Sellout !
You're joining the establishment now !
;-)
I think I'll vote for you :)
Remy
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After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.
Lol. Sellout !
You're joining the establishment now
Delagrange
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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:55 -0600
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Morgan Delagrange [EMAIL
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:55 -0600
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:29:39 -0800 Micael Padraig Og mac Grene
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McClanahan ROCKS!
+1
At 12:32 PM 2/6/02 -0500, you wrote:
Craig McClanahan wrote:
At Apache, I got involved in the Apache JServ project before there was
a
Jakarta (along with other long timers like
Assuming there is a sufficient number of willing candidates to fill the
seven slots, I would respectfully decline my nomination, so as to ensure
someone else the chance to serve.
It's been my experience that the best way to build community is to not
only participate yourself, but also to give
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After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:49, Bill Barker wrote:
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After some
Hello Morgan,
+1
Saturday, February 02, 2002, 1:16:55 AM, you wrote:
MD I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
MD Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I
MD cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments. I can say,
I second that nomination.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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On 2/4/02 12:59 PM, jean-frederic clere
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I would like to nominate Costin Manolache for election to the PMC.
Costin has a wide area knowledge of ASF projects (Apr, httpd 1.3/2.0,
tomcat3.x/4.0, Ant...).
He has been contributing to Tomcat since the very first
I accept this nomination, which was originally sent to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Thanks Rod!
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Another legend. +1 by all means.
Bojan
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 04:59, jean-frederic clere wrote:
I would like to nominate Costin Manolache for election to the PMC.
Costin has a wide area knowledge of ASF projects (Apr, httpd 1.3/2.0,
tomcat3.x/4.0, Ant...).
He has been contributing to
+1
Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega
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Asunto: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache
I would
+1
We should call Costin Professor since he's a terrific example
of patience and excellence, a very consensual man and a real
OSS and ASF spirit defensor
jean-frederic clere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
I would like to nominate Costin Manolache for election to the PMC.
Costin has a
+1
We should call Costin Professor since he's a terrific example
of patience and excellence, a very consensual man and a real
OSS and ASF spirit defensor
jean-frederic clere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
I would like to nominate Costin Manolache for election to the PMC.
Costin has a
+1. Craig is good, sometimes too good :)
Scott
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I would like to nominate Craig
On 2/1/02 5:16 PM, Morgan Delagrange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I
cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments. I can say, however,
that
I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
I give this nomination a STRONG approval.
-kz
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On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 17:16, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I
cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments. I can say, however,
that his
The man is an absolute legend. I second that nomination!
Bojan
On Sat, 2002-02-02 at 09:16, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I
cannot give a complete
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I would like to nominate Diane Holt for the PMC.
I second that.
Stefan
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I would like to nominate Diane Holt for the PMC. Diane is a
[..]
I second that too.
Stephane
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On 1/31/02 8:27 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to nominate
- Jon Stevens
- Sam Ruby
I second both. Stefano, you beat me to it. I was putting together a longer
list :)
geir
for the upcoming PMC elections.
The reason is simple: nobody else has done more
second.
On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 08:27, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I would like to nominate
- Jon Stevens
- Sam Ruby
for the upcoming PMC elections.
The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta.
Sure, they have diametrically different styles and attitudes, but this
the
+1
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on 2002.1.31 10:36 AM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to nominate Scott Sanders (myself) for the PMC election.
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Scott Sanders wrote:
I would like to nominate Scott Sanders (myself) for the PMC election.
Jon, Sam, and Stefano are my open source 'idols'.
I *love* it!
A self nomination that was crafted in such a way to guarantee the necessary
seconds.
I'll be glad to do my part:
+1
- Sam Ruby
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I would like to nominate
- Jon Stevens
- Sam Ruby
for the upcoming PMC
HUGE +1. He has the biggest mouth I have heard in a long time, and an
excellent outsiders viewpoint.
Scott Sanders
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:) I know. I was referring to the size of Paulo's as-of-yet
contribution to what Jakarta can become :)
Scott
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You mean that you accept? (You need to accept or decline)
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Now I am speechless!
(Never happened before
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You mean that you accept? (You need to accept or decline)
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That he is a good coder, we don't have to discuss, I guess!
Don't forget prolific!
+1
- Paul
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On 1/31/02 4:16 PM, Gerhard Froehlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I wanna nominate Donald äääh Peter ;). Peter is a PMC member
in the moment!
I second the nomination of Peter Donald.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I nominate Ceki Gulku to be a candidate for the PMC election.
Ceki is the force of nature behind log4j, a member of the ASF, until
recently a member of the PMC, and one who I find is generally clear thinking
and fair when it comes to open source
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would like to nominate
- Jon Stevens
- Sam Ruby
for the upcoming PMC elections.
The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta.
+1 for both of the old dogs.
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on 2002.1.30 4:31 PM, Bojan Smojver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to nominate Geir Magnusson Jr. for the PMC.
Geir is current PMC member. His dedication to Jakarta projects,
especially Velocity, is undoubted. His support levels on Velocity
project are unsurpassed, with response
Bojan Smojver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would like to nominate Geir Magnusson Jr. for the PMC.
Geir is current PMC member. His dedication to Jakarta projects,
especially Velocity, is undoubted. His support levels on Velocity
project are unsurpassed, with response times in minutes. He is
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