Re: [VOTE] Accept Libcloud proposal for incubation

2009-10-28 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: Libcloud proposal thread went well, and we added several mentors.  I would like to start the vote to incubate Libcloud into the ASF. The proposal is included below and is also at:

Re: Insanity (of the release process)

2009-11-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
(i'm really short of time ATM so apologies in advance if i'm very slow to respond) On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 13:11, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Greg Stein wrote: The IPMC is in charge of its operation. It

Re: How to shorten the duration of incubation (Was: Insanity...)

2009-11-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: snip I personally think that the exit criteria are good as they are (in hindsight, Abdera is a good example of a project that graduated

Re: [last call] setting up Subversion mailing lists (was: Two other issues to discuss for Subversion)

2009-11-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Joe Schaefer asked if he could set up the mailing lists this weekend. The discussion seemed to end, with no particular opposition, so I filed an Infrastructure ticket to track the creation of the mailing lists:  

Re: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Greg Stein wrote: IIRC, Martijn has offered a proper legal review in the place of a release. This sounded pretty reasonable to me. I would agree to that. Yup. I've already stated that I have no problems with running

Re: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?

2009-11-14 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: IMHO a podling should know how to cut an ASF release the easiest way to demonstrate this knowledge is to cut a release but it's not the only way. I don't have an argument with any of those

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] User Admin contribution to Felix

2009-12-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: Adam Wojtuniak contributed an implementation of the OSGi User Admin specification to Felix. This message is a request for IP clearance verification. The pertinent information is here:    

Re: ASF: what do we have left?

2010-01-12 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@sun.com wrote: When we discussed graduation requirements on the incubator general list, the idea was to have the incubator review a release made by the team, and review the process of releasing. my exams are next week but should

Re: [VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)

2010-01-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
i've had time to take a brief look at the mailing lists and IMHO this matter needs to be taken private (and i started the balls rolling for that). i will issue a formal veto with both IPMC and legal hats on in due course. i just wanted to know that i'm going to unsubscribe this email address from

[VETO][VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)

2010-01-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 donninginfamous flame proof bootsdonning i'm really sorry to have to do this but... having taken a quick look into the background, i feel i have to use binding vetos (legal and ipmc) on all public variations of this proposal and take all further

[VETO] Emse veto invalid

2010-01-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I've been informed (thanks justin) that the legal advise on Esme is that it's fine to go ahead with the proposal as specified. since the veto was originally conditional (on that) it's technically invalid and so the vote can be tallied. If there's

Re: Source code dumps via JIRA?

2010-02-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Paul Querna p...@querna.org wrote: For most projects they just put a URL in the jira, and Joe just imports it. So, is this just a failure of the documentation to reflect what is

Re: Source code dumps via JIRA?

2010-02-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Justin Erenkrantz jus...@erenkrantz.com wrote: For OODT, we think we want to import the prior history of the project into the podling via a Subversion dump file. However, in: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#initial-import-code-dump it says:

Re: [Vote] Release Kato M1-incubating - please vote!

2010-02-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org wrote: I downloaded one of the tar balls and did some spot checking for licenses and verified pgp sigs. +1 +1 well done - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Subversion podling for graduation

2010-02-12 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: [X] +1 Graduation [ ] -1 Hold, and continue incubating - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands,

Re: [VOTE] Apache UIMA as a TLP

2010-02-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Marshall Schor m...@schor.com wrote: [X] +1 to recommend UIMA's graduation [ ]  0 don't care [ ] -1 no, don't recommend yet, (because...) a good job done by all :-) - robert - To

Re: [VOTE] - Graduate Log4PHP as a subproject of Logging project

2010-03-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Gav... ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: snip [X] - +1 - Graduate Log4PHP as a sub-project of Apache Logging. [ ] - +/-0 - Don't care, whatever the majority decides. [ ] - -1 - Strongly object to this graduation (because ... kudos to everyone who helped get this

Re: Policy for BUILD and CHANGES files in podling releases

2011-06-01 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Eric Sammer esam...@cloudera.com wrote: Incubators: I can't find an appropriate policy on the licensing requirements of ancillary files like BUILD or CHANGES files that are commonly distributed with releases. I'm specifically looking at the somewhat vague and

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote: The butler did it. :-) On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Guys, if we are going to argue over the mistakes of the pasts and the slights of the past, quite frankly, we aren't going to

Re: Policy for BUILD and CHANGES files in podling releases

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip (IMHO BUILDING and CHANGES are corner cases. I incline towards adding license headers unless they are clearly trivial.) I

Re: Rép : OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org wrote: snip On the spirit of better 'ask for fogiveness than ask for permission' I added my name to the proposal. :-) :-) Robert - To unsubscribe,

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Meritocracy and Committers for non-coders?

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: On 02/06/2011 14:43, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Simon Brouwersimon.o...@xs4all.nl  wrote on 06/02/2011 09:21:53 AM: snip What isn't clear to me are things like the following: 1) A strong QA member, who does manual

Re: opportunity to reunite the related communities Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: Am 02.06.2011 18:09, schrieb Jukka Zitting: I wouldn't be too quick to throw away this opportunity to reunite the related communities. If the differences truly are insurmountable, I'd like to see that explained in the

Re: OpenOffice Apache Incubator Proposal and uniting The Community

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: Allen Pulsifer wrote: As a long time member of the OpenOffice.org community, I would like to offer my thoughts on the Oracle/IBM proposal. Thanks for the very well-written and well-reasoned post.

Re: OpenOffice Apache Incubator Proposal and uniting The Community

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:22 AM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Allen Pulsifer pulsi...@openoffice.org wrote on 06/02/2011 06:58:45 PM: snip Second, if Apache takes on OpenOffice, it will instantly become the Apache project with the largest number of end-users (if you include the number of

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello, Hi Florian I hope you don't mind if I jump in to the discussion. The views shared here are not any official TDF statement, but rather solely my own ones, acting as a volunteer who has been

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote on 06/03/2011 11:09:23 AM: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: This is why, inside the ASF, we expect individuals to represent the communities

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
:-) Noisy and open - everyone with an opinion is welcome :-) Robert Burrell Donkin wrote on 2011-06-04 09.14: The TDF is in no position to accept a major donation of either copyright or code today. Apache is. Why? AIUI [1] the TDF is not a legal entity today and is still in the process

Re: OpenOffice - Wiki - Required Resources - Subversion vs. Mercurial vs. Git

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:40, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We already had subversion for some time as the repository for the main code and it

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal - Dependency License Clash

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I've lost the thread on this, it's noisy and open :-) (but it's good to factor out new threads with good subjects) but I thought that one observation was about the dependencies in OpenOffice.org (and

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Licensing Q's [was: Incubator Proposal]

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 01:07, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: Also, besides main apps, is Oracle donating it's Oracle OOo extensions? Such as: PDF Import, Presenter Console, WebLog Publisher, Professional Template

Re: OpenOffice.org: Question to IBM regarding license of Lotus Symphony

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Ian Lynch wrote (04-06-11 14:39) On 4 June 2011 13:30, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl  wrote: Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35) Is there any reason to believe that the Apache License, Version 2.0 is not an appropriate choice in

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-04 16.28: snip Personally, I think Oracle's choice had more to do with IBM's recommendation, than taxes. +1 I tend to agree. IMO it's all about governance.

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HREUNITING the Community?

2011-06-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 13:54, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: ... That point has been repeaded over and over again, but basically you are saying everyone Do not set up your own foundation at all, we

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/02/2011 09:44 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Hi Italo Let's look at it this way: Pretend that when things starting going south in OOo, but before TDF was formed, Oracle had done what it just did: donate the code and

Re: Questions from the cheap seats.

2011-06-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Andy Brown wrote: Hi all. Hi Andy This is my fist post here, been lurking from day one. And today you've become a contributor :-) As a user I am trying to understand somethings that are going on here. 1:

Re: Happy happy joy joy

2011-06-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Steve Loughran ste...@apache.org wrote: On 06/02/2011 04:31 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: The butler did it. yeah, the new butler, jenkins, killed the old one, hudson as hudson was getting too noise for a staff member of the household. ROFL :-) Robert

Re: Re-Introduction

2011-06-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd reintroduce myself. Welcome Louis :-) I first posted last week but over the weekend, was a) busy with other pressing things, and b) wanted to let others, especially new voices, speak—now is the time to

Re: End-Users of OpenOffice.org

2011-06-07 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: Hi all, Hi Christoph I hope you don't mind that another new face appears on this mailing list. I followed some of the discussion during the last days and like to add that I'm generally happy to see the

Re: Re-Introduction

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 16:27, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/7 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com: On 7 June 2011 16:08, Volker Merschmann merschm...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: OpenOffice Proposal: Nominated Mentors

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:49 PM, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: This is for the proposal, the Nominated Mentors section. My observation, after seeing the topics that seem to be getting the most attention from the IPMC members on this list, is that in the the Podling we will want to pay special

Re: OpenOffice - Wiki - Required Resources - Subversion vs. Mercurial vs. Git

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I say that the sooner one can move to uni-directional flows with the bi-directionals out in customization and adoption layers, if anywhere, the better.  It is difficult to conceive of any other way to get on top

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Danese Cooper dan...@gmail.com wrote: We at Apache don't think that money is evil, but we also believe that seeing our code in wide use is more important than money. OpenOffice.org is important to the Developing World, some of whom will pay for convenience. I

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03) On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote: Moin Moin [1], my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since 1998 [..] I just wanted to say that this is one

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-12 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: [x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to those who are willing to join

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-12 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Nóirín Plunkett noi...@apache.org wrote: Andy, Fáilte! Sounds like you get the Apache Way just great :-) +1 I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome things you've already done.] Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of

Re: [VOTE] Accept Bigtop for incubation

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Tom White tomwh...@apache.org wrote: Please cast your votes: [X] +1 Accept Bigtop for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to Bigtop incubation [  ] -1 Reject Bigtop for incubation (binding) Robert

Re: OpenOffice.org next steps

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Correct.  99% of the time the private list is used for voting in new committers/PPMC members. +1 (Some established projects elect committers on public lists but this requires high levels of trust and isn't

Re: KEYS and releases

2011-06-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: we copy a KEYS file into that directory upon succesful VOTE of the release artifacts (which also include the KEYS file). Perhaps, but the point we're getting at was explicitly stated by Benson, The goal here is

Re: [VOTE] Deft to join the incubator

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Niklas Gustavsson nik...@protocol7.com wrote: Please cast your votes: [X ] +1 Accept Deft for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to Deft incubation [  ] -1 Reject Deft for incubation (binding) Robert

NOTICE and LICENSE [WAS Re: [VOTE] Release Hama 0.3-incubating (RC2)]

2011-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: snip (Apologies if I've missed any changes in Apache policy - please jump in and correct me) 1. as I understand it, notices and licenses for 3rd party products should not go in NOTICE and LICENSE, but should go in

Re: [VOTE] Oozie to join the Incubator

2011-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Mohammad Islam misla...@yahoo.com wrote: snip [ X] +1 Accept Oozie for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to Oozie incubation [  ] -1 Reject Oozie for incubation Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Interested Contributors [WAS Re: [VOTE] Oozie to join the Incubator]

2011-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Suresh Marru sma...@apache.org wrote: Hi Suresh I am interested to contribute to this project, since any one did not vote yet, can I add my name to the Initial Committers? The proposal is fixed when the VOTE thread starts (so that everyone is voting on the

Re: NOTICE and LICENSE [WAS Re: [VOTE] Release Hama 0.3-incubating (RC2)]

2011-07-06 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Hi Dan, On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Dan Haywood dkhayw...@gmail.com wrote: ...Relating to the NOTICE file, it would seem that [1] is inconsistent with [2].  If these discussions on legal did occur, then it

Re: incubator karma to start ip-clearance process

2011-07-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Andreas Lehmkuehler andr...@lehmi.de wrote: Hi, ATOS Origin donated some code to become part of the Apache PDFBox project [1]. I volunteered to get this done and I'd like to start the IP-Clearance process as described at [2]. I've learned that I'll need

Re: Podlings needing copyright sign-off

2011-07-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: 2008-01-06      rat done (Doh! Originally forgot to update the status document) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Accept ODF Toolkit for Incubation

2011-07-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Please cast your votes: [X] +1 Accept ODF Toolkit for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to ODF Toolkit incubation [  ] -1 Reject ODF Toolkit for incubation (binding) Robert

Re: [PROPOSAL] 3 month deadline on CLA item

2011-08-02 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: As can be seen elsewhere, I'm on a self-given mission to clean up the history of podlings by getting them to sign off on the following checklist item: Check and make sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF

Re: Ip clearance for hosting tomcat maven plugin (moving away from Mojo project @codehaus)

2011-08-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: Hi, You will find here[1] an ip clearance form in order to move tomcat-maven-plugin from mojo project hosted at codehaus to Apache Tomcat project. Related vote threads in tomcat dev ml [2] and in Mojo project [3] Let me

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of the Whirr Podling

2011-08-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Tom White tomwh...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, The Whirr podling joined the incubator in May 2010. Since then it has made 5 releases following Apache guidelines, added 4 new committers, and added 3 new PPMC members. The community is healthy and growing, and

Re: [VOTE] Graduation of the Whirr Podling

2011-08-04 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Tom White tomwh...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, The Whirr podling joined the incubator in May 2010. Since then it has made 5 releases following Apache guidelines, added

Apache Rat TLP...?

2011-08-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Rat is (now) one of the oldest podlings, and has an unusually high proportion of experience Apache contributors. The community and code are small (perhaps too small) for a top level project (TLP). Rat tools conceptually run downstream from the build in the continuous delivery space, assisting

Re: Apache Rat TLP...?

2011-08-05 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Kalle Korhonen kalle.o.korho...@gmail.com wrote: Agree that the scope of Rat alone is limited. You mean if Rat proposed to graduate as Apache Tools (or even Apache Infrastructure Tools)? Rat could start as the TLP and later become a sub project once other tools

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Graduation of the Whirr Podling

2011-08-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Tom White tomwh...@apache.org wrote: The vote passes, with 4 binding +1 votes (plus an additional two IPMC votes from the Whirr dev thread [1]), 1 non-binding +1 vote, no 0 votes, and no -1 votes. The binding +1 votes: Chris A. Mattmann Mohammad Nour El-Din

Re: Apache Rat TLP...?

2011-08-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: +1 for TLP and I could also help out with coding. Great :-) Hope to see you on the lists sometime soon... Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Ip clearance for hosting tomcat maven plugin (moving away from Mojo project @codehaus)

2011-08-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: Ok. I have patched the site and noticed the lazy consensus note. But I'm puzzled here as tomcat folks ask an approval from incubator PMC [1]. Approval is needed but AIUI the IPMC uses lazy consensus [2] in this case I see it

Re: Ip clearance for hosting tomcat maven plugin (moving away from Mojo project @codehaus)

2011-08-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: 2011/8/9 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: Ok. I have patched the site and noticed the lazy consensus note. But I'm puzzled here

Re: Ip clearance for hosting tomcat maven plugin (moving away from Mojo project @codehaus)

2011-08-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: 2011/8/10 Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com: snip The copyright section [1] still includes the sentence explaining how to record a grant [2]. If the copyright is owned by ASF committers and all

[IP CLEARANCE] tomcat-maven-plugin - Tomcat PMC [WAS Re: Ip clearance for hosting tomcat maven plugin (moving away from Mojo project @codehaus)

2011-08-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: Thanks for review. Updated again :-) [1] looks fine to me now Unless anyone jumps in an issue before 1200UTC Saturday, 13 August (let's say) the Tomcat PMC should consider the IP cleared Robert [1]

Re: Removal of graduated and obsolete web-site files

2011-08-21 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:38 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: There are quite a few web-sites still under /www/incubator.apache.org/ that are for graduated podlings, as well as a few sites marked 'old': For example: 467     ./old-activemq 130790  ./activemq drwxrwsr-x  34 apbackup  

Re: DISCLAIMER files - why are they being overlooked?

2011-08-21 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: AIUI, DISCLAIMER files (*) should be present alongside NOTICE and LICENSE files in all releases and in the top-level SVN directory, and the disclaimer text should be prominently displayed on the podling web-site. These items are

Re: [vote] Graduate OGNL as a subproject to Apache Commons

2011-08-26 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Please vote: [X] +1, graduate OGNL into Commons [] -1, no, don't graduate, because: (binding) Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Branding requirements for podlings

2011-08-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Yes, complying with the branding requirements absolutely should be an exit criteria. +1 We should also update: https://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html To explain a little bit about the pmc guidelines.

Re: Committer versus PPMC

2011-09-13 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#request-mailing-lists Can anyone explain what IPMC Member This needs to be executed by an IPMC member. Mentors are drafted on the IPMC so this will typically be

Re: Committer versus PPMC

2011-09-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Alasdair Nottingham n...@apache.org wrote: The word typically suggests to me that normally a mentor does this, but any willing IPMC member can do this and that is no problem. +1 The whole section is [DRAFT] so it might well be a formatting issue. Looks like

Promoting Podling Bootstrap From Draft [WAS Re: Committer versus PPMC]

2011-09-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Alasdair Nottingham n...@apache.org wrote: The word typically suggests to me that normally a mentor does this, but any willing IPMC member can do

Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions

2011-09-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator

Re: IP Clearance - transferral or licensing of copyright ownership?

2011-09-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
Hi Sander I'm glad you asked these questions here: asking well researched questions is the best way to improve our process and documentation but just for the record, the legal-discuss list[1] is the right place for projects to ask almost all questions about copyright (being public, it's not

Re: Projects failing to repoirt for October - appropriate actions?

2011-10-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: On most months, I have to chase down missing reports. snip RAT was discussing graduation, but still needs to report. Apologies. For podlings looking to graduate soon, monthly reporting is probably a good idea but I

Re: Website redirects for graduated projects

2011-10-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:55 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: The incubator site has an .htaccess file containing redirects for many of the graduated podlings. However, not all graduated podlings are in the file; the following are missing: [ snip ] Should

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] OSGi Service Diagnostics Contribution

2011-10-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Carsten Ziegeler cziege...@apache.org wrote: Please review the following contribution for IP clearance:  http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/felix-service-diagnostics.html Approval is by lazy consensus. If anyone has any comments, please jump in. Robert

Trademark Kill Searches...

2011-10-25 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The trademark task[1] seemed a little dated to me - especially since the brand team started focusing on trademarks[2] - and poorly documented. So, I started looking into improvements... (Apologies in advance for presenting my views here on some initial discussions on the private trademark lists.

Re: Trademark Kill Searches...

2011-10-28 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: The trademark task[1] seemed a little dated to me - especially since the brand team started focusing on trademarks[2] - and poorly documented. So, I started looking into improvements... (Apologies

Re: Trademark Kill Searches...

2011-10-28 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: Opinions? Objections

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Rainer Döbele doeb...@esteam.de wrote: Hi all, thanks Jukka for your view on this issue and thank you Benson for bringing this topic up. I am one of the Empire-db committers and certainly we would appreciate it very much if there is a way for us to

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: The current RAT situation leads me to suggest that we graduate Empire. As a mentor, I'd characterize Empire-Db as a project that was long ago ready, save for the same issue as RAT: a small group that grows very,

Re: Trademark Kill Searches...

2011-10-30 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Raffaele P. Guidi raffaele.p.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I'm biased here (and I'm also an ASF newbie), but, coming from many one-band-man projects I feel 5 diverse, active and regular committers that can keep their user base happy is more than enough to be

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduating empire?

2011-10-31 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Raffaele P. Guidi raffaele.p.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin said: [...] Self-organising communities are only sustainable with a big enough population. I would also add that enough is a relative measure. Maybe (just maybe) for empiredb enough is 5

Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-09 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:55 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Kalle Korhonen wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that using kill search is probably

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-10 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a Suitable Names Search JIRA project https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH Please jump in to fill out details and permissions

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-14 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip Unless anyone jumps in soon, I'll set up a Suitable Names Search JIRA project https

[PATCH] Incubator site copyright years

2011-11-15 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
The copyright years stamped onto every incubator page should probably be updated. For some reason, non-ascii characters are stomped when I run the site build so I'd be really grateful if someone could update the site.vsl (or explain how I can stop the stomping). Cheers Robert Index:

Re: Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2009-02-09  kato I'm comfortable that this is safe enough copyright-wise. I would prefer the podling community to do the checking themselves but it's stalled until the JCR is sorted out. Robert

Re: Latest copyright sign-off status [Was: Podlings needing copyright sign-off]

2011-11-16 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: snip 2009-02-09  kato I'm comfortable that this is safe enough copyright-wise. I would prefer the podling community to do

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi...   The idea sounds good in general more specifically that should be clear and documented on the incubator site for future

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: snip Unless

Re: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: +1 to the JIRA project and the notifications coming here.  Thanks for driving this one! I've done some customisation on PODLINGNAMESEARCH[1] (Hopefully Noel will forgive me for assigning him as project lead without

Re: Actively retiring projects (was: Incubator Board Report November 2011)

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own.  As

Re: mixed line-endings with generated data

2011-11-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:27 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: sebb wrote: Even if the problem is fixed for some or all systems, I suggest we keep the target so it can be invoked directly. i.e. the target that does the work should be unconditional; it can be called via a

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