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2007-07-20 Thread Samuli Suominen
# Samuli Suominen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20 Jul 2007) # Orphaned configuration files using devfsd. # Masked for treecleaners. Removed in 60 days. # Bug 64138. app-cdr/cdrw-base -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-20 Thread Michael Hanselmann
Hello Benedikt On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 01:37:11PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: It is basically netqmail split into much smaller chunks so they can be reused by other qmail variants as well. Okay, I looked through it and found some things which need reconsideration. I agree that user creation

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Eric Polino wrote: If this is truly a problem, then I think the negative USE flags might be the better solution then. This would allow users the ability to disable potential insecure features. But really, I doubt security is an issue here. The negative (or no*) USE flags are generally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Richard Freeman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roy Marples wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 23:11 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Mike Doty wrote: [snip] get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project, are any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Eric Polino
On 7/20/07, Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Polino wrote: If this is truly a problem, then I think the negative USE flags might be the better solution then. This would allow users the ability to disable potential insecure features. But really, I doubt security is an issue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread fire-eyes
Duncan wrote: joshua jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:10:35 -0700: Honestly..this is not something to get picky over jakub. Upstream was nice and actually came and politely asked us to change the defaults to what most people would

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Thomas Scharl
George Prowse schrieb: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Jim Ramsay
fire-eyes wrote: Duncan wrote: OTOH, if enabling those protocols pulls in all sorts of additional packages to support them, shipping with everything on just because it's possible is not the Gentoo way. That's what USE flags are for. If indeed additional dependencies are pulled in, IMO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Scharl wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-20 Thread Michael Cummings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Kundrát wrote: I'd also like to nominate mcummings (he's an old guy in Gentoo land and his mails look reasonable), lack (he's a bit fresher, but his mails are good) and kumba (old guy, nice mails). XML has been updated. Cheers, -jkt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-20 Thread joshua jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Blackace wrote: I'd like to nominate: vapier tsunam nightmorph seemant avenj christel Although most of them will probably decline, I think they would do an excellent job straightening out Gentoo's heading and have the barnacles to perform

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Eric Polino
It would seem there is a good support for a change to enable all protocols by default. What will change this issue from a good thread to an action on the package to implement these ideas? Another suggestion brought to me by an upstream dev was that Pidgin is configured to install all protocols

[gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started

2007-07-20 Thread Duncan
Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. They should have turned up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Duncan wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as RW. They should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started

2007-07-20 Thread lnxg33k
Duncan wrote: Is anybody subscribed by mail getting stuff on project yet? If neither gmane or gentoo's archives are showing anything... I've received two mails (I believe that's all) after subscribing sometime wednesday. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Eric Polino
On 7/20/07, Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:20:06 -0400 Eric Polino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem there is a good support for a change to enable all protocols by default. What will change this issue from a good thread to an action on the package to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting -project started

2007-07-20 Thread Dale
Duncan wrote: Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:17:58 -0700: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 09:15:31PM -0500, lnxg33k wrote: Ryan Hill wrote: These are on gmane now as well. -dev-announce as RO and -project as

[gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Ned Ludd
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-20 Thread Benedikt Boehm
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:52:02 +0200 Michael Hanselmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Benedikt On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 01:37:11PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: It is basically netqmail split into much smaller chunks so they can be reused by other qmail variants as well. Okay, I looked

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Ioannis Aslanidis
++ On 7/20/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. -- Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux -- [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was meant to have discussions between

[gentoo-dev] Re: have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Duncan
George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:58:23 +0100: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... It's likely some subscriptions are caught in limbo. See my question on the Getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Doug Goldstein
George Prowse wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was meant to

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Thomas Scharl
George Prowse schrieb: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... sure -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Dale
George Prowse wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was meant to

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Jakub Moc
Dale napsal(a): George Prowse wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
Dale wrote: George Prowse wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-20 Thread Michael Hanselmann
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 10:05:23PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: qmail_base_install should be split in smaller functions, maybe with callbacks (if possible in bash). There is now qmail_mini_install (called by every qmail ebuild) and qmail_{full,man,sendmail}_install for the rest of a full

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Mike Doty
Dale wrote: George Prowse wrote: Ned Ludd wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 20:58 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Do any devs subscribe to -project because no replies have yet to be heard from developers... Please stop flooding my inbox. It is an honest developer question because it was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 00:02 -0400, Eric Polino wrote: Someone mentioned just killing the USE flags and making them all hard dependencies, however. I really hope that's not done if additional dependencies are involved. I see your point, but how different would this be to any application

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some scripts/whatever to get users to do things they might not know they

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2007-20-07 at 00:57 +0100, Olivier Crête wrote: On Thu, 2007-19-07 at 15:22 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:02 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote: I'm all for doing it now in the profile, but it's not my package. Perhaps someone from the net-im herd can make this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2007-20-07 at 14:40 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Anyway, if nobody objects and nobody beats me to it, I'll add the USE flags for the common protocols to package.use in the profiles. Now, the real question is what should I enable? All of the ones that have no major dependencies are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats

2007-07-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:48:12 -0700 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, some things I think we could/should do are: - GWN - gentoo-announce - gentoo-stats (or whatever we have now, if anything) Smolt, which is Fedora's new hardware-profiling program, is actively porting to other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Friday, 20. July 2007 23:48, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Thomas Scharl
Chris Gianelloni schrieb: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some scripts/whatever to get users to do

[gentoo-dev] New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
OK. I'm sure this will probably bring upon a ton of responses, but let's hope they all stay on-topic. I'm not posting this to gentoo-project since I think it belongs here until this is agreed upon. So, let's get started: gentoo-dev: This list is for technical discussion, primarily between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: net-im/pidgin protocols

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 22:57 +0100, Olivier Crête wrote: On Fri, 2007-20-07 at 14:40 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Anyway, if nobody objects and nobody beats me to it, I'll add the USE flags for the common protocols to package.use in the profiles. Now, the real question is what should I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 14:56 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:48:12 -0700 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, some things I think we could/should do are: - GWN - gentoo-announce - gentoo-stats (or whatever we have now, if anything) Smolt, which is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Nathan Smith
On 7/20/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gentoo-projects: This list is for... what exactly? I've not really figured that one out just yet. I know it is supposed to be pretty much anything that doesn't fit into gentoo-dev or another project-specific list. Am I correct here? Is

Re: [gentoo-dev] New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:20:24 -0700 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gentoo-dev-announce: This is the announcement list for development-related stuff. Now, there's two ideas for how to run the list, that I can think of, but I'm sure there's others. - Make the list set reply-to to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stats

2007-07-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:29:10 -0700 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could have sworn genone was working on something stats-related. He was. I asked him about it a while ago and that's where I got the hiatus bit. 00:30 @dberkholz genone__: anything ever happen with the stats app?

[gentoo-dev] Re: New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Duncan
Nathan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:53:02 -0700: On 7/20/07, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gentoo-projects: This list is for... what exactly? I've not really figured that one out just yet. I know it is supposed to be

[gentoo-dev] Re: New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Duncan
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:20:24 -0700: gentoo-dev: This list is for technical discussion, primarily between developers, about development and development-related issues that directly affect the tree or current

Re: [gentoo-dev] New lists and their usage

2007-07-20 Thread Kumba
Chris Gianelloni wrote: gentoo-projects: This list is for... what exactly? I've not really figured that one out just yet. I know it is supposed to be pretty much anything that doesn't fit into gentoo-dev or another project-specific list. Am I correct here? Is this what everyone thinks this

Re: [gentoo-dev] have any developers subscribed to -project?

2007-07-20 Thread Kumba
Jakub Moc wrote: _ _ _ _ _ | | | |/ ___| | | | | | | | | | _| |_| | | | |_| | |_| | _ |_| \___/ \|_| |_(_) Stop flooding my mailbox as well with this irrelevant junk finally, it's totally off-topic here; if you want to complain that noone loves you, then go to your nanny,