[gentoo-dev] Unification of variables used within SCM eclasses

2010-03-24 Thread Michał Górny
As suggested by ssuominen on bug #311101, I am posting the issue to the mailing list. Currently, various SCM eclasses differ very much in the subset of features and control variables implemented. The idea is to establish a single subset of such variables and rules for all SCM eclasses to follow,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention that users who do not need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. As

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention that users who do not need python-3 should mask it locally to prevent it from being

[gentoo-dev] Re: Unification of variables used within SCM eclasses

2010-03-24 Thread Duncan
Michał Górny posted on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:28:38 +0100 as excerpted: As suggested by ssuominen on bug #311101, I am posting the issue to the mailing list. Currently, various SCM eclasses differ very much in the subset of features and control variables implemented. The idea is to establish a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): As mentioned in the other thread, this news item should mention that users who do not need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 23 March 2010 20:13, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm attaching updated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Python maintainers do not recommend to mask

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-23 20:28:38 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 23 March 2010 20:13,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Alec Warner
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 24 March 2010 18:23, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-24 17:56:48 Ben de Groot napisał(a): On 24 March 2010 17:43, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Doktor Notor
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:35:21 +0100 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns and recommendations of your fellow Gentoo developers. CC'ing devrel because this is getting out of hand. Looks like an extremely productive

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: 2010-03-24 17:57:35 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:43:56 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Jeremy Olexa
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that they didn't object to have Python 3 installed. They're in the minority, judging by the replies

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations. I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed disregarding the concerns and recommendations of your fellow

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 24.03.2010 18:45, schrieb Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis: 2010-03-24 18:32:37 Joshua Saddler napisał(a): On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:14:44 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: Some Gentoo developers/users, who aren't Python maintainers, said that they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-23 20:57:33 Jonathan Callen napisał(a): On 03/23/2010 03:13 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: I'm attaching updated news item, which will be committed soon. A couple grammar issues: -modules, which support both Python 2 and Python 3, are installed for both -active

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2010-03-24 18:51:48 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. napisał(a): On 3/24/10 6:35 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: All valid concerns about text already included in the news item have been addressed. We don't need to include any unofficial recommendations. I'll take that as a yes then, you are indeed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in gentoo. Some Gentoo developers/users,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org wrote: People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should be included in the news item. Not the folks running

[gentoo-dev] when to use a function and an implementation use flag.

2010-03-24 Thread Peter Hjalmarsson
I took a look at qemu-kvm and found something I percieve as funny: It had a gnutls use-flag, but no ssl useflag. As I see it is I want ssl/tls support it should be sufficient to enable USE=ssl and let the maintainer of said ebuild decide which implementation (if more then one) I am better off

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Richard Freeman
On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org wrote: People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is no reason to waste Council's time for decision on what sentence should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 19:41, Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org  wrote: People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is no reason to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:41:28PM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: On 03/24/2010 02:28 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:04:51 +0100 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesisarfre...@gentoo.org wrote: People, don't want Python 3, probably have already masked it. There is no reason

[gentoo-dev] Re: Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Duncan
William Hubbs posted on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:03:34 -0500 as excerpted: If users do not want python-3 on their systems, that is what /etc/portage/package.mask is for. I think pretty much everyone agrees with that. What we're debating is whether the stabling news item should specifically

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Thomas Sachau
Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: But everyone else in Gentoo does, so . . . Really? I've seen a few people object, but not everyone in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:57:20PM +0100, Thomas Sachau wrote: Am 24.03.2010 19:03, schrieb William Hubbs: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 05:47:18PM +, Jeremy Olexa wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:37 -0700, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote: But everyone else in Gentoo does, so .

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have done our job imho.  In other words, this is just a matter of informing users. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have done our job imho.  

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have done our job imho.  

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request. On the other hand, I

[gentoo-portage-dev] portage sources have moved from SVN to GIT

2010-03-24 Thread Zac Medico
Hi, As the subject says, the portage sources have been moved from SVN to GIT [1]. The new repo is located on git.overlays.gentoo.org [2]. I've just updated the documentation to reflect this move [3] and it will be a few minutes before the html regenerates. If you have push access then you can

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] portage sources have moved from SVN to GIT

2010-03-24 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 03/24/10 09:07, Zac Medico wrote: If you have push access then you can commit something to the master branch like this: git clone git+ssh://g...@git.overlays.gentoo.org/proj/portage.git cd portage # edit files git commit -a git push origin master Let me add a few more words