Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread AllenJB
Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Hi there! Resulting from discussion during last Gentoo KDE team meeting taking place 22 Oct 2009 at #gentoo-meetings (summary fill be available soon), having Gentoo GNOME team representative, it's been decided to go ahead with splitting desktop profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Samuli Suominen
AllenJB wrote: * Why is the developer profile even shown on eselect profile? Wouldn't it be better to keep unsupported profiles off this list. Surely Gentoo devs can cope with setting their profile manually in favor of a little sanity preservation for the rest of us? It's not only for Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread AllenJB
Samuli Suominen wrote: AllenJB wrote: * Why is the developer profile even shown on eselect profile? Wouldn't it be better to keep unsupported profiles off this list. Surely Gentoo devs can cope with setting their profile manually in favor of a little sanity preservation for the rest of us?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Saturday 24 October 2009, Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Resulting from discussion during last Gentoo KDE team meeting taking place 22 Oct 2009 at #gentoo-meetings (summary fill be available soon), having Gentoo GNOME team representative, it's been decided to go ahead with splitting desktop

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Joshua Saddler
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:11:38 +0200 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: AllenJB wrote: * Why is the developer profile even shown on eselect profile? Wouldn't it be better to keep unsupported profiles off this list. Surely Gentoo devs can cope with setting their profile manually in

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Zeerak Waseem
Having recently installed gentoo, I can see hwo it could get confusing with DE specific profiles. Especially as a number of users that are new to linux might very well have no idea what DE they're going to use. And the same can be said for users who decided to run ubuntu to try linux and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Alex Alexander
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:42, Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com wrote: having to choose a profile, gives less time for the wavering user Why all the fuss? No-one said we're removing the plain desktop profile, we're simply adding *more* options. If you want generic DE options pre-enabled, choose

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 24/10/2009 15:42, Maciej Mrozowski a écrit : If you have any comments, suggestions, important notices regarding this change, please keep discussion in gentoo-desktop mailing list. IMHO, we shouldn't even have desktop/server subprofiles to begin with. I've always considered Gentoo to be an

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Dale
Alex Alexander wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:42, Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com wrote: having to choose a profile, gives less time for the wavering user Why all the fuss? No-one said we're removing the plain desktop profile, we're simply adding *more* options. If you want

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Monday 26 of October 2009 21:06:04 Rémi Cardona wrote: IMHO, we shouldn't even have desktop/server subprofiles to begin with. I've always considered Gentoo to be an opt-in distro where after a successful install, you end up with a bash prompt and a _means_ of installing new packages.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Josh Sled
Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com writes: And I fail to see *any* point in forcing users to learn Gentoo internals (sic! like USE flags). What else? Ebuild syntax so that they're able to get to know what particular global USE flag is responsible for, when someone forgot (or decided not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Monday 26 October 2009 21:06:04 Rémi Cardona wrote: Le 24/10/2009 15:42, Maciej Mrozowski a écrit : If you have any comments, suggestions, important notices regarding this change, please keep discussion in gentoo-desktop mailing list. IMHO, we shouldn't even have desktop/server

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Zeerak Waseem
But instead of just giving the user the answer, wouldn't it be more appropriate, as far as understanding useflags and their uses goes, to give users lists of useflags and what they do. Ie a list of base use flags for say, kde, and also what basic useflags to disable, and a suggestion to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:52:04 +0200, Alex Alexander wi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 21:42, Zeerak Waseem zeera...@gmail.com wrote: having to choose a profile, gives less time for the wavering user Why all the fuss? No-one said we're removing the plain desktop profile, we're

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:26:38 Zeerak Waseem wrote: But instead of just giving the user the answer, wouldn't it be more appropriate, as far as understanding useflags and their uses goes, to give users lists of useflags and what they do. Ie a list of base use flags for say, kde, and also

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Dawid Węgliński
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:34:55 Dawid Węgliński wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:26:38 Zeerak Waseem wrote: But instead of just giving the user the answer, wouldn't it be more appropriate, as far as understanding useflags and their uses goes, to give users lists of useflags and what

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 25 October 2009 03:41:10 Jesús Guerrero wrote: I fail to see how this is simpler and/or more versatile than simply using USE=kde gnome, USE=-kde gnome, USE=-gnome kde or USE=-gnome -kde. What exactly are we going to gain by adding yet another level of complexity where two simple USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-25 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:42:17 +0200, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there! Resulting from discussion during last Gentoo KDE team meeting taking place 22 Oct 2009 at #gentoo-meetings (summary fill be available soon), having Gentoo GNOME team representative, it's been decided

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:00:03 -0500 Jeremy Olexa darks...@gentoo.org wrote: Just so it is clear and there aren't any questions in the future. The XFCE team maintains a set of recommended global use flags in our docs[1] (maintained by Josh (nightmorph)). So, whatever direction this ends up,

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-24 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
Hi there! Resulting from discussion during last Gentoo KDE team meeting taking place 22 Oct 2009 at #gentoo-meetings (summary fill be available soon), having Gentoo GNOME team representative, it's been decided to go ahead with splitting desktop profile to DE-specific subprofiles, to avoid

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-24 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
2009/10/24 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com: If you have any comments, suggestions, important notices regarding this change, please keep discussion in gentoo-desktop mailing list. What about people who like to install both gnome and kde on their systems? (Perhaps different users on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-24 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Maciej Mrozowski wrote: Hi there! Resulting from discussion during last Gentoo KDE team meeting taking place 22 Oct 2009 at #gentoo-meetings (summary fill be available soon), having Gentoo GNOME team representative, it's been decided to go ahead with splitting desktop profile to DE-specific

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-24 Thread Maciej Mrozowski
On Saturday 24 of October 2009 16:00:03 Jeremy Olexa wrote: Just so it is clear and there aren't any questions in the future. The XFCE team maintains a set of recommended global use flags in our docs[1] (maintained by Josh (nightmorph)). So, whatever direction this ends up, xfce will not be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-24 Thread Petteri Räty
Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: 2009/10/24 Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com: If you have any comments, suggestions, important notices regarding this change, please keep discussion in gentoo-desktop mailing list. What about people who like to install both gnome and kde on their systems? (Perhaps