Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Richard Freeman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roy Marples wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 23:11 +0100, George Prowse wrote: Mike Doty wrote: [snip] get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project, are any

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Thomas Scharl
George Prowse schrieb: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Scharl wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some scripts/whatever to get users to do things they might not know they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Friday, 20. July 2007 23:48, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-20 Thread Thomas Scharl
Chris Gianelloni schrieb: On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 18:54 +0200, Thomas Scharl wrote: Anyways this is more of philosophical/social issue to discuss about than a technical one. One thing that I had been considering bringing up and getting help with is some scripts/whatever to get users to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Steve Long wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to go and annoy upstream. Associate an irc-channel with each package. Most packages have a herd associated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users... ask them! Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:36:34 +0100 Steve Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Perhaps we also need to make it more clear where users can ask such Gentoo-specific questions about specific packages, so they don't need to go and annoy upstream. In #gentoo we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:02:46 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to know how to get a better relationship with users... ask them! Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. that is why the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? Not my point. My point is that most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Thursday, 19. July 2007 22:39, Jeroen Roovers wrote: Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Associate an irc-channel with each package. Associate how? Sounds like a lot of work at the least and a lot of cruft at the worst. It could be included in the herds.xml: herd namekde/name

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 21:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The set of people who respond is heavily skewed towards better-informed users who have time to seek out and participate in that kind of questioning. Fair point, but the more better-informed users we have, the better it is for everyone

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? Not my point. My

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:19 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take time to respond are highly atypical. If you were clever enough and wanted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Dale
George Prowse wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative of the user base in general. So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:22:19 +0100 George Prowse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take time to respond are highly atypical. If you were clever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Mike Doty
[snip] get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread George Prowse
Mike Doty wrote: [snip] get this shit off the dev list and somewhere more appropriate. I have a question for in here. Now this is (rightly) going to -project, are any devs actually going to comment on the discussion? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 16:51 -0500, Dale wrote: Now the new deal is meeting the same resistance just like the proctors and I suspect it will fail too. Gentoo needs to listen to the people. No. Gentoo needs to make intelligent decisions, whether it comes from a single individual or an army

[gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols)

2007-07-19 Thread Steve Long
Eric Polino wrote: Not sure if this fits in to what you're talking about, but I do know that as myself a would like to me maintainer someday, I'm somewhat lost as to knowing how I can get involved and who I need to talk to. Your best starting point is #gentoo-dev-help (if you need to talk a