Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Dale
Naga wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Case in point, portage I have read has a lot of hacks that are hurting development. In the end it works pretty well but it makes it really hard to add more features without messing up something else. So, someone needs to make a decision on what

Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-14 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Montag, 14. Januar 2008, Wayne Clement wrote: On 1/14/08, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Walter Dnes: SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. Nope. SVG is

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Thufir
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote: I want there to be a gentoo. I want there to be a well documented and not horribly painful way to install. I like the concept. I completely agree. What's wrong with appropriating the Fedora (or other) install? The arguments against

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and re-release it xerox, with just the three files added and a Gentoo logo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Etaoin Shrdlu: You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s: Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than the ones I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway. Ah ok, I wrongly thought

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Cocoy Dayao
On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and re-release it xerox,

Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-14 Thread b.n.
Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog. Bye. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 1:19 AM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me explain. You began complaining because the Gentoo live cd *exists*, but it is out of date and didn't support your hardware. It's a reasonable complain in the assumption you need the Gentoo cd (and you can't do with anything else):

[gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
Hi all, I sought how to make pass my emerge's starting from a tunnel configured with Putty but did not find nothing interesting. How can i do this ? Thx ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 10:17 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:27:30 +0100, b.n. wrote: If I can give you an advice: don't create a new livecd from scratch. Take an Ubuntu, Knoppix or similar live cd, just add these three files in a /gentoo directory, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 10:39 AM, Cocoy Dayao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. i agree. In fact, imho the most perfect gentoo installer is the mini live cd! what more can anybody need? would it take much effort to maintain/refresh a mini live cd installer? Couldn't that be refreshed every couple of

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Hi all, I sought how to make pass my emerge's starting from a tunnel configured with Putty but did not find nothing interesting. How can i do this ? Thx ;) Are you using putty on windows then? Log in with putty, you will get a bash session.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Monday 14 January 2008 10:48:08 Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s: Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than the ones I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway. Ah ok, I wrongly thought yours was more a problem of outdated stage3

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Thufir
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:12:09 +, James wrote: 2. Keep licensing more in line with the BSD license for Gentoo centric technology (thus encouraging entrepreneurship as defined by the individual while simultaneously respecting GPLv2 and maintaining compliance with GPLv2. GPLv3 is a poor

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Thufir
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:11:11 +0100, alain.didierjean wrote: Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. What about it ? Read http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html -- ~adj~ I find it unfortunate that he doesn't simply post his ideas to this list, but I suppose from

[gentoo-user] epiphany+webkit

2008-01-14 Thread Vasiliy G Tolstov
Can anybody help me to install epiphany with webkit ? Search in Google does results, but it not working (api of webkit is changed and epiphany does not compile). I'm using epiphany 2.21.4 with webkit latest from the site webkit.org (gtk build) -- С уважением, Vasiliy G Tolstov

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Thx for the Answer but I think I asked the question wrong. I Use Putty to bypass a HTTP proxy who do not let emerge Work. So i wan't to run portage in my pc, not in the remote one. But i wan't to sync passing the SSH tunnel who is configurated

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Install CD : was Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:35:38 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: I understand they are switching to a lighter desktop for the next release, because GNOME was using too much of the CD that was needed for packages. The only packages (beyond a desktop) required are (my opinion): xchat or pidgin

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
It's not clear at all whether you have http access from your gentoo box. If so, did you try emerge-webrsync? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list # emerge --sync Starting rsync with rsync://140.211.166.165/gentoo-portage... Checking server timestamp ... timed out rsync error:

[gentoo-user] Digests without attachments

2008-01-14 Thread Charles Trois
Starting with issue 1370, I receive gentoo-user digests without their attachments, like this: Topics (messages 73878 through 73927): That's all there is. What happens? Is my Thunderbird badly configured, or what? I should be grateful for hints. Charles -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Thufir
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:03:10 +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote: After reading lot of posts regarding install cd, I decided, I will create livecd for install purposes, with: - handbook - fresh stage3 for i686 - portage snapshot I will try to keep it up-to-date. Anyway, I'm not a dev member,

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: It's in french but easy to understand My tunnel works, i use IRC throught it, but i don't know where to configure Portage to use it. Do you also use http through it? Regarding portage, it could be as easy as doing # export

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/14, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Hi all, I sought how to make pass my emerge's starting from a tunnel configured with Putty but did not find nothing interesting. How can i do this ? Thx ;) Are you using putty on windows

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 17.31.20 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.33.28 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Shaochun Wang wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 07:25:55AM -0600, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though. Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install? In fact, the Gentoo system of my current desktop machine was

[gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
Hi all, I used to have the partprobe utility installed, but now it's gone - must have trashed it one day without thinking. I can't remember which ebuild installed it either... There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/14, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: It's in french but easy to understand My tunnel works, i use IRC throught it, but i don't know where to configure Portage to use it. Do you also use http through it? Regarding portage, it

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Thx for the Answer but I think I asked the question wrong. I Use Putty to bypass a HTTP proxy who do not let emerge Work. So i wan't to run portage in my pc, not in the remote one. But i wan't

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
What other information can i give ?

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Ok, ;) My Network have a Squid Proxy who allow only some ports like 80 443... Ok, so you should be able to use # export http_proxy=proxyname or address # emerge-webrsync To use the already existing proxy in your network. If you insist on

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:20:26 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the url for me please? http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~fejf/cgi-bin/pfs-web.pl?action=home But it's currently not

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the url for me please? I knew this: http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~fejf/cgi-bin/pfs-web.pl but it's not working at the

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/14, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: Ok, ;) My Network have a Squid Proxy who allow only some ports like 80 443... Ok, so you should be able to use # export http_proxy=proxyname or address # emerge-webrsync To use the already

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
What looks strange -from an external point of view- is that there is lots of high-skilled people here... with huge Gentoo experience. How did these people not manage to build some plan ? With all the engineers, team leaders, project chiefs, and so on... involved in Gentoo project ? It looks like

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread justin
There is a wonderful new tool available for questions like this!! http://www.portagefilelist.de/index.php/Special:PFLQuery?dir=package=full_file=file=partprobeversion=pflquery=submitted On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:00:52 +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 14 January 2008, Alan

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/14, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What application is running on the remote box, port 443? A SOCKS server or something else? OpenSSH, which manage the redirections alone. What kind of machine is 127.0.0.1:8080, where putty is running? It's likely a windows box, but now putty

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Schmarck
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:24:52 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't understand that. What confidence? To install Gentoo, you need a way to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread justin
www.portagefilelist.de On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:04:18 +0100, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the url for me please? I suppose

[gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Schmarck
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the url for me please? I suppose you're talking about PFS, Portage File Search at http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~fejf/pfs/ - but that

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:20:26 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for just about all gentoo ebuilds, could some kind soul post the url for me please?

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On 1/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a wonderful new tool available for questions like this!! http://www.portagefilelist.de/index.php/Special:PFLQuery?dir=package=full_file=file=partprobeversion=pflquery=submitted Many tanks, it is a good URL to know :) Gal' --

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: I am a little confused... Putty listen to my 127.0.0.1:8080 and forward to my extern box:443 passing the squid proxy:3128 (in SSH of course) What application is running on the remote box, port 443? A SOCKS server or something else? What kind

Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a wonderful new tool available for questions like this!! http://www.portagefilelist.de/index.php/Special:PFLQuery?dir=package= full_file=file=partprobeversion=pflquery=submitted Great tool, thanks for the info! --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Mick
On Monday 14 January 2008, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 07:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: the situation will resolve that same way these things have always been resolved, by one of these or a combination: a. a strong leader emerges with a vision and takes over b. a strong

Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-14 Thread Gabriel Rossetti
b.n. wrote: Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog. Bye. m. Yep, I don't see why he's shocked by

Re: [gentoo-user] DTC webhosting application + gentoo

2008-01-14 Thread Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Pongracz Istvan wrote: | Hi, | | I would like to ask that does anybody use dtc with gentoo? | DTC is a hosting panel, similar to cpanel, plesk etc., but under GPL. If you plan on using DTC... change distribution. The whole idea of using

Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Gabriel Rossetti wrote: b.n. wrote: Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.portagefilelist.de *Very* useful link - thanks! alan On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:04:18 +0100, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There a site out there that lists files installed for

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/14, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: What kind of machine is 127.0.0.1:8080, where putty is running? It's likely a windows box, but now putty exists for linux too. Is this the same machine you want to run portage on? If not, is the

[gentoo-user] DTC webhosting application + gentoo

2008-01-14 Thread Pongracz Istvan
Hi, I would like to ask that does anybody use dtc with gentoo? DTC is a hosting panel, similar to cpanel, plesk etc., but under GPL. Regards, István -- eGroupWare, gLiveCD, gentoo és barátai http://www.osbusiness.hu „A humor a méltóság támasza, fölényünket hirdeti mindazzal szemben, amit a

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: What kind of machine is 127.0.0.1:8080, where putty is running? It's likely a windows box, but now putty exists for linux too. Is this the same machine you want to run portage on? If not, is the portage box on the same network as the putty one?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread justin
There is a wiki article http://gentoo-wiki.com/PortageFileList which contains a python script, which sends updates from ones personal box to the database server. As this project community dependent a lot of users should help to update the database. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:07:31 +0200, Alan

Re: [gentoo-user] DTC webhosting application + gentoo

2008-01-14 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 14, hétfő keltezéssel 11.19-kor Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman ezt írta: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Pongracz Istvan wrote: | Hi, | | I would like to ask that does anybody use dtc with gentoo? | DTC is a hosting panel, similar to cpanel, plesk etc., but under

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: 2008/1/14, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What application is running on the remote box, port 443? A SOCKS server or something else? OpenSSH, which manage the redirections alone. What does this mean? I am on Linux :P and the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret

2008-01-14 Thread Alex Schuster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I'm interested in what I might run into. So far it looks like it would be ALMOST as easy as symlinking ksh to bash in /bin. Uh, this sounds scary :) The two big things I see that will cause that not to work are lots of calls to `print' and that bash does not

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread James
Dale dalek1967 at bellsouth.net writes: Like you, I wish I could do more. I would be willing to learn to code if I felt it was worthwhile. I am disabled so I have plenty of time to learn and contribute but after my past experiences on -dev, I won't be repeating that for a VERY long time

Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-14 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Iliev) writes: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:01:04 + (UTC) Konstantinos Agouros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, =20 I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to get traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread b.n.
Galevsky ha scritto: The reason other distro have complex live cds for installing is that they *need that*. Gentoo does not need this additional complexity. Nevertheless a live cd there was, but as you experienced, it's more the trouble it causes than that it solves. I disagree. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 14, 2008 5:54 PM, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're excited by different things :) No doubt :) Gal' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-14 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:34:01 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The file is the same size in bytes (8056211212) on the destination XP machine as it is on the Samba host, but the md5sums (using Sumemr Properties under XP) don't match. There is also the slight possibility that your

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread James
Thufir hawat.thufir at gmail.com writes: 2. Keep licensing more in line with the BSD license for Gentoo centric technology (thus encouraging entrepreneurship as defined by the individual while simultaneously respecting GPLv2 and maintaining compliance with GPLv2. GPLv3 is a poor idea,

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret

2008-01-14 Thread reader
Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I'm interested in what I might run into. So far it looks like it would be ALMOST as easy as symlinking ksh to bash in /bin. Uh, this sounds scary :) Yeah, it would be on a system with actual users but here its just me,

Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-14 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:13:33 +0100 Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing basic about a spreadsheet program. It is a very advanced piece of software. From a developer's perspective unicode is an obvious requirement, if he tries to write a program for many different

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: Absolutely not -- For BSD licensing please use BSD. I see no reason why everything Gentoo related can't be GPL v2 -- after all, the kernel certainly is. It runs a little deeper than this, particularly when you look at how is doing what. For

[gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread reader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a wiki article http://gentoo-wiki.com/PortageFileList which contains a python script, which sends updates from ones personal box to the database server. As this project community dependent a lot of users should help to update the database. That script fails

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Jil Larner
May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing, so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ? Thanks Etaoin Shrdlu a écrit : On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: Absolutely not -- For BSD licensing please use BSD. I see no reason why everything Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: Furthermore stage 1 is completely unsupported and for a very good reason. Which good reason, Bo? You seem to know it, so maybe give a link somewhere; don't make us guess or search. Benno -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread James
Etaoin Shrdlu shrdlu at unlimitedmail.org writes: The GPL does allow to sell your product (as opposite to giving it away for free). Why should Montavista be sued if they respect the GPL? As long as they distribute the source code with their products (which admittedly I don't know), they

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge of ksh93 erroring out.. who can interpret

2008-01-14 Thread Alex Schuster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I was really just saying that syntax at my low level of usage is largely interchangeable but for the cases I mentioned. So it makes switching scripting shells from ksh93 to bash pretty smooth.

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread James
Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes: May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing, so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ? I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend as long as it takes) to support the notion of vehicles to generate

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?]

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: Etaoin Shrdlu shrdlu at unlimitedmail.org writes: The GPL does allow to sell your product (as opposite to giving it away for free). Why should Montavista be sued if they respect the GPL? As long as they distribute the source code with their products

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread reader
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (or at least go read the 14 pages on the forum and then come back with a clue). Maybe this has already been posted here... but: What 14 pages on what forum? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: If it dies lots of folks can pick up the code, rename it and start a fork that can be GPL or commercial, IMHO.   The GPL get's in the way, IMHO. Handing it over to Daniel with ~100% non publish control is a recipe for the serfs  and the majority of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Jil Larner
Possibly this one :D http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (or at least go read the 14 pages on the forum and then come back with a clue). Maybe this has already been posted here... but: What 14 pages on what forum?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: OK, then why does the GPL not make a simple rule change. If you have grossed over 1 million dollars on your linux product or service, then you have to open source your code. Because it *already* says that if you redistribute your code you already *have*

[gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?]

2008-01-14 Thread James
Etaoin Shrdlu shrdlu at unlimitedmail.org writes: What you're saying here is not a secret, in fact these are all more or less well-known facts. Yes, they probably did violate some open source license. However, I don't see how having had closed source products would have prevented them

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 14 January 2008, Benno Schulenberg wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: Furthermore stage 1 is completely unsupported and for a very good reason. Which good reason, Bo? You seem to know it, so maybe give a link somewhere; don't make us guess or search. The vast unending stream of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Jil Larner
James a écrit : Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes: May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing, so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ? I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend as long as it takes) to support the notion of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?]

2008-01-14 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote: I just do not see the harm in letting a small (sub 1 million dollar company) build a product and not provide any details or what they did or how they did it. In the end, their success is more likely related to how slick their marketing campaign is or

Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?

2008-01-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:42:35AM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote The official release is an indication of the life of a distribution or package. Look at one of Keith Packard's reasons for leaving Xfree86 (slow release cycle), or Gnome's recent push to speed their release cycle. One, of

[gentoo-user] Konqueror crashes with latest flash

2008-01-14 Thread Mick
When I go to http://www.speedtest.net the flash content does not show (just a white frame in its place) and if I close konqueror I get a signal 11 sigserv. This is what the terminal shows: $ konqueror ASSERT: !icon.isEmpty() in konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81) ASSERT: !icon.isEmpty() in

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Monday 14 January 2008 14:03:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: Now I am confused. Why do you run Putty on a Linux machine? I used it once just to confuse and confound co-workers and have it runable in Wine just to impress some other people. You do not need wine to run putty on Linux. There's a UNIX

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Dale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a wiki article http://gentoo-wiki.com/PortageFileList which contains a python script, which sends updates from ones personal box to the database server. As this project community dependent a lot of users should help to update

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:47 +, James wrote: Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes: May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing, so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ? I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend as long as it

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Elyahou ITTAH
2008/1/15, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You do not need wine to run putty on Linux. There's a UNIX port. Just emerge putty and run it. Not that I don't agree it's useless with all the alternatives that are available on Linux too.. ;) What alternative are you advice me ?

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: Seeing as Linus himself has stated that he has absolutely no intention of changing the license on the kernel, your idea is unworkable. My idea is not to mess with either the GPL2/3 applications nor the gplv2 kernel. What ever is under the

RE: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Pettersson, Martin
If this can help you... I have a similar problem (two firewalls) but I solved it using revinetd (tcp/ip gender changer run on Linux and maybe on Wine, I used puppy Linux, all_in_one_quemu on a windows machine) Add something like this to your /etc/make.conf #to get rid of certificate check in

[gentoo-user] what's going on at Gentoo

2008-01-14 Thread Iain Buchanan
Because there have been a lot of questions lately about exactly what is happening, I refer you to these links for further reading. Note I don't explicitly (dis)agree with any of it, I'm just point it out. Daniel Robbins blog: http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/and-it-gets-worse.html

[gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-14 Thread James
Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing gentoo via GRML. Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can follow to do

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread reader
After looking at some of the discusion at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled. What does that actually mean? And who is such a charter with? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: 2008/1/15, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You do not need wine to run putty on Linux. There's a UNIX port. Just emerge putty and run it. Not that I don't agree it's useless with all the alternatives that are available on Linux too..

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After looking at some of the discusion at: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled. What does that actually mean? And who is such a charter with? The charter is a legal document

[gentoo-user] Re: SSH tunnel With Portage

2008-01-14 Thread reader
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Elyahou ITTAH wrote: 2008/1/15, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You do not need wine to run putty on Linux. There's a UNIX port. Just emerge putty and run it. Not that I don't agree it's useless with all the

[gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread reader
Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a wiki article http://gentoo-wiki.com/PortageFileList which contains a python script, which sends updates from ones personal box to the database server. As this project community dependent a lot

[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

2008-01-14 Thread reader
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing gentoo via GRML. People should make it a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

2008-01-14 Thread Renat Golubchyk
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:03:39 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-14 Thread Wayn0
James wrote: Hello, Over the last week, I read where many folks recommend installing Gentoo using GRML. Since I have a p3 (650Mz) system I'm installing to build a small web server for a friend, I figured I check out installing gentoo via GRML. Does anyone know of a wiki or simple guide I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-14 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext [EMAIL PROTECTED]: People should make it a practice to spell out these acronyms at least once per post. What is GRML? Renat already told you what it is, here is what GRML means: http://grml.org/faq/#whatmeans :-) Bye... Dirk -- Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild that installs partprobe

2008-01-14 Thread Dale
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP But since I don't I just moved the directory. :) That's what I would have done too. LOL Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

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