[gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes). When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an error messages if the corresponding library is currently in use. How does portage succeed anyway. (I have the suspicion that it does not succeed always, since

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes). When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an error messages if the corresponding library is currently in use. How does portage succeed

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes). When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an error messages if the corresponding library is currently in

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Many thanks Alan, so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used, isn't it? No, not at all, you conclude wrongly. Unix works the way it does precisely so you *don't* require a reboot to use new libraries.

Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.31 vfat driver broken?

2009-12-11 Thread Willie Wong
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 03:18:20AM +0100, Penguin Lover Frank Steinmetzger squawked: Am Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 schrieb Willie Wong: When you plug-in your device, what does /sys/block/sdb/queue/max_hw_sectors_kb say? 120 Okay, this checks out with the hw_sector_size says 512

Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.31 vfat driver broken?

2009-12-11 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:58:35PM +0100, Penguin Lover Frank Steinmetzger squawked: You are not running any sort of LVM, RAID, or encryption, are you? A similar bug seems to have occured in device mapper, where dm gave the underlying fs the wrong values for max_hw_sector. I reckon

[gentoo-user] Which LiveCD for Intel Core2 Duo?

2009-12-11 Thread Erik
I will install Gentoo Linux on a Dell laptop with Intel Core2 Dua and 8GiB RAM. I tried 2 different LiveCDs. x86 boots fine, but does not seem to find all memory. IA64 does not boot. Are there hidden versions like x86_64?

Re: [gentoo-user] Which LiveCD for Intel Core2 Duo?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 14:00:22 Erik wrote: I will install Gentoo Linux on a Dell laptop with Intel Core2 Dua and 8GiB RAM. I tried 2 different LiveCDs. x86 boots fine, but does not seem to find all memory. IA64 does not boot. Are there hidden versions like x86_64? IA64 is for a

Re: [gentoo-user] Which LiveCD for Intel Core2 Duo?

2009-12-11 Thread Sebastian Beßler
Am 11.12.2009 13:00, schrieb Erik: I will install Gentoo Linux on a Dell laptop with Intel Core2 Dua and 8GiB RAM. I tried 2 different LiveCDs. x86 boots fine, but does not seem to find all memory. IA64 does not boot. Are there hidden versions like x86_64? Hi, you need the amd64 LiveCD.

Re: [gentoo-user] Which LiveCD for Intel Core2 Duo?

2009-12-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
Well, if you wantto install a 64bit env. then you have to use the AMD64 livecd. IA64 isn't the 64bit architecture :-) Zeerak On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:00:22 +0100, Erik esi...@gmail.com wrote: I will install Gentoo Linux on a Dell laptop with Intel Core2 Dua and 8GiB RAM. I tried 2 different

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes). When installing a dynamic library (by hand) I have often got an error messages if the

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Daniel Troeder
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes). When installing a dynamic library (by

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Mickaël Bucas
2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Many thanks Alan, so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used, isn't it? No, not at all, you conclude wrongly. Unix works the way it does precisely so

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote: Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new kernel. And these days, not even then :-) [it requires some voodoo but is certainly possible] [[and I

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Mickaël Bucas wrote: 2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: On Friday 11 December 2009 13:02:36 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Many thanks Alan, so I conclude that rebooting IS necessary to get the new libraries used, isn't it? No, not at all, you conclude wrongly. Unix

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Daniel Troeder wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my eyes).

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 11 Dezember 2009, Daniel Troeder wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 07:16 -0600, Dale wrote: Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11 Dec, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 11:11:41 Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'm curious how portage solves its most difficult part (in my

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote: Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new kernel. And these days, not even then :-) [it requires some voodoo but is

[gentoo-user] Trouble with weather plasmoids

2009-12-11 Thread Robin Atwood
Since the massive Qt 4.6.0/KDE 4.3.4 update I have noticed that the search widget for the various weather plasmoids always returns Cannot find 'London' or whatever. This is on two systems; anyone else notice this? TIA -Robin --

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote: Mickaël Bucas wrote: From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it. I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem. You may have to switch to run level 1 to restart some important services like udev. Actually, you can kill udev and

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote: Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new kernel. And these days, not even

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

2009-12-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy: Respawns on close/crash... doesn't allow attempts to start more than once (hence the 'lockfile' type hack in the script), doesn't break on a stale lockfile, and does whatever the user ('myuser' should be replaced with a real username) wishes in

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 18:33:49 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote: Mickaël Bucas wrote: From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it. I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem. You may have to switch to run level 1 to restart some

[gentoo-user] Re: What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread »Q«
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:38:02 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mickaël Bucas wrote: 2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Unix works the way it does precisely so you *don't* require a reboot to use new libraries. They are already there and fully installed and fully

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: went from x86 to ~x86: no more X11

2009-12-11 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 10.12.2009 05:41, schrieb Joshua Murphy: Respawns on close/crash... doesn't allow attempts to start more than once (hence the 'lockfile' type hack in the script), doesn't break on a stale lockfile, and does

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 18:33:49 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 12/11/2009 9:38 AM, Dale wrote: Mickaël Bucas wrote: From the process name, you can deduce the service and restart it. I've never needed a reboot for this kind of problem. You may have to switch

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
»Q« wrote: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:38:02 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mickaël Bucas wrote: 2009/12/11 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Unix works the way it does precisely so you *don't* require a reboot to use new libraries. They are already there and fully

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote: Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a technical stand point, the only time you must reboot is to load a new

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 21:00:49 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote: I have also wondered why a person would go to all that trouble. Wouldn't all the services have to be restarted anyway? Nope. userspace ABI is stable so services just

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 11 December 2009 20:54:46 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Now do you understand why my refusal to reboot my machines willy-nilly is entirely rational? It's because they are not my laptop. That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted to much. I

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Kyle Adams
On 12/11/09 11:00, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 17:07:17 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 15:16:01 Dale wrote: Rebooting will also do all of this but it is not needed. From a technical stand point, the only time you

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 December 2009 21:00:49 Dale wrote: That would be cool of you had a system that just couldn't be rebooted. Is there such a thing tho? What would be the reason a machine just could not be rebooted? I guess one would be if the puter was on planet Mars maybe?

[gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.6.5-r1 'Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap'

2009-12-11 Thread Mick
Hi All, I emerged xorg-server-1.6.5-r1, as well as x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.0, xf86-input-keyboard-1.4.0, xf86-input-mouse-1.5.0 and xf86-input-evdev-2.3.1 and now I can't get past the xdm login screen. It is worth noting that I also emerged a load of apps including xkbcomp-1.1.1

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server-1.6.5-r1 'Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap'

2009-12-11 Thread dhk
Is evdev complied into your kernel? It should be. Mick wrote: Hi All, I emerged xorg-server-1.6.5-r1, as well as x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.0, xf86-input-keyboard-1.4.0, xf86-input-mouse-1.5.0 and xf86-input-evdev-2.3.1 and now I can't get past the xdm login screen. It is

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread pk
Dale wrote: One reason I mentioned the Mars thing, I recall them having a puter on Mars or something that had a hiccup and they thought they had lost it. Somehow it just popped itself back up tho. I guess it was trying to find some code that did work and finally did. I remember them saying

[gentoo-user] While installing Gentoo: emerge gentoo-sources hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch

2009-12-11 Thread Erik
Now I am trying to install Gentoo on a new system but when try to emerge gentoo-sources (as I am supposed to), it hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch. This problem is also known as bug #291389. I see with top in another virtual terminal that rm uses 100% CPU. Is there any way to continue

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Willie Wong
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot. Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes, read my sig please. That is the server formerly

Re: [gentoo-user] While installing Gentoo: emerge gentoo-sources hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch

2009-12-11 Thread Willie Wong
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:28:35AM +0100, Penguin Lover Erik squawked: Now I am trying to install Gentoo on a new system but when try to emerge gentoo-sources (as I am supposed to), it hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch. This problem is also known as bug #291389. I see with top in

Re: [gentoo-user] While installing Gentoo: emerge gentoo-sources hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Erik wrote: Now I am trying to install Gentoo on a new system but when try to emerge gentoo-sources (as I am supposed to), it hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch. This problem is also known as bug #291389. I see with top in another virtual terminal that rm uses 100% CPU. Is there any

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
pk wrote: Dale wrote: One reason I mentioned the Mars thing, I recall them having a puter on Mars or something that had a hiccup and they thought they had lost it. Somehow it just popped itself back up tho. I guess it was trying to find some code that did work and finally did. I

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Willie Wong wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot. Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes,

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Samstag 12 Dezember 2009, Dale wrote: Willie Wong wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot. Ahem! While we are busy comparing

Re: [gentoo-user] What magic does portage use?

2009-12-11 Thread Dale
Willie Wong wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:54:46PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: That is certainly one good example. My little ol desktop is not rebooted to much. I once went 242 days without a reboot. Ahem! While we are busy comparing wang sizes, read my sig please.

Re: [gentoo-user] While installing Gentoo: emerge gentoo-sources hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch

2009-12-11 Thread Kyle Adams
On 12/11/09 16:43, Dale wrote: Erik wrote: Now I am trying to install Gentoo on a new system but when try to emerge gentoo-sources (as I am supposed to), it hangs at Applying 4400_alpha-sysctl-uac.patch. This problem is also known as bug #291389. I see with top in another virtual terminal