Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-06-30 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 00:21:18 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 01:16:44 Alex Schuster wrote: Alex, have you tried turning off the Nepomuke service? I see in one of your screenshots that you are having problems with it (segfaults). No. The screenshot was taken

Re: [gentoo-user] X-Server-1.8 and Intel i915 modesetting stability

2010-06-30 Thread Andrea Conti
1. On boot up, the screen goes completely black until the xserver is started. KMS provides its own framebuffer console driver -- disable any other framebuffer drivers such as (u)vesafb and enable FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DETECT_PRIMARY under drivers/graphics support/console display driver support.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-06-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote: So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some problem with mysql errors. Restarting kmail has always fixed it so far. -- Rgds Peter. Linux

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-06-30 Thread Mick
On 30 June 2010 10:30, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 07:23:06 Mick wrote: So I assume that Kontact (and or Kmail) starts nepomuke when launched Kmail-4.4.4 does start nepomuk here, which occasionally fails with some problem with mysql errors.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-06-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 11:17:13 Mick wrote: Starting Kmail as a stand alone app (instead of starting up the whole KDE desktop) launches/usr/bin/akonadi_control, which runs akonadiserver, which calls /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder and this calls /usr/bin/nepomukserver (or

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

2010-06-30 Thread Alex Schuster
Neil Bothwick writes: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:16:44 +0200, Alex Schuster wrote: I did not want to use Chromium, but I tried it, and I must admit, it's fast, and it uses much less memory than konqueror. And it even has web shortcuts, which are a must-have for me now. What I'm missing most

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 02:16:36 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:56:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: He has this uncanny ability of almost always being correct on technical toolchain matters I disagree with the uncanny part. This is flameeyes we are talking about. It's

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 02:16:36 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:56:56PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: He has this uncanny ability of almost always being correct on technical toolchain matters I disagree with the uncanny part. This is

[gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Shoka
Hello group, I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. du reports the following directories as the biggest directories on my system: /usr/lib418 MB /usr/portage

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: Hello group, I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. du reports the following directories as the biggest

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Mick
On 30 June 2010 14:48, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: Hello group, I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. Both Gnome and KDE are not for lightweight systems. You may

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Andy Wilkinson
On 06/30/10 06:48, Shoka wrote: Hello group, I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. du reports the following directories as the biggest directories on my system:

Re: [gentoo-user] -march=native

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 11:09 +1000, Beau Henderson wrote: On 06/30/10 08:07, Paul Hartman wrote: [...] You can see which options -march=native would use by running this command: gcc -Q --help=target

Re: [gentoo-user] -march=native

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Beau Henderson b...@thehenderson.com wrote: On 06/30/10 08:07, Paul Hartman wrote: 2010/6/29 Hasan SAHINhasan.sa...@gmx.com: Hello all, I am using Athlon64 X2 processor with the CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer option. Can I use the

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Shoka
On 30.06.2010 15:56, Mark Knecht wrote: /usr/src could be reduced to one source tree. HTH, Mark Hi Mark, Unfortunately I don't fully understand. What do you mean by reducing to one source tree? Regards andré

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Crístian Viana
What do you mean by reducing to one source tree? inside /usr/src, there may be more than one subdirectory, one for each kernel version you've ever had. you can purge the older kernel directories, just rm -rf on them. do not delete your current kernel directory: use eselect kernel list (or

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Dale
Shoka wrote: On 30.06.2010 15:56, Mark Knecht wrote: /usr/src could be reduced to one source tree. HTH, Mark Hi Mark, Unfortunately I don't fully understand. What do you mean by reducing to one source tree? Regards andré If you have more than one kernel source installed,

[gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread James
Shoka shoka at gmx.ch writes: I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd If I were you, I'd pose this question over at embedded-gentoo, if you really want to get serious about minimization.

[gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-06-30, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. Gnome?!?! That's like saying all I needed was a couple of deck chairs, so I bought

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Shoka
On 30.06.2010 17:03, Grant Edwards wrote: Gnome?!?! That's like saying all I needed was a couple of deck chairs, so I bought the Queen Mary. One step towards smaller/lighter would be the XFCE desktop instead of Gnome. While a lot smaller/faster than Gnuome, XFCE is still far from

[gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread James
hello, Well, there are lots of local sales on laptops. It's been a few years and much has changed (that I'm not up on with boot CDs). Naturally, I'd like gentoo/kde on a boot cd, but then there are different images for AMD and intel arches. So my questions are, is there just one CD I need to

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:54:20 -0500, Dale wrote: Since space is a issue for you, you really only need the kernel sources for the kernel you are using. One could argue that if you have a well built kernel and don't plan to change it in the future, you could remove its sources too. I would

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:03:27 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Gnome?!?! That's like saying all I needed was a couple of deck chairs, so I bought the Queen Mary. PMSL :) -- Neil Bothwick All things in moderation, ESPECIALLY moderation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Kyle Bader
Since space is a issue for you, you really only need the kernel sources for the kernel you are using.  One could argue that if you have a well built kernel and don't plan to change it in the future, you could remove its sources too.  I would save a copy of the config tho. I'd certainly argue

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: On 30.06.2010 15:56, Mark Knecht wrote: /usr/src could be reduced to one source tree. HTH, Mark Hi Mark, Unfortunately I don't fully understand. What do you mean by reducing to one source tree? Regards andré Hello Andre,

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Kyle Bader kyle.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Since space is a issue for you, you really only need the kernel sources for the kernel you are using.  One could argue that if you have a well built kernel and don't plan to change it in the future, you could remove its

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Longman
On 06/30/2010 08:03 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-06-30, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. Gnome?!?! That's like saying all

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:54:20 -0500, Dale wrote: Since space is a issue for you, you really only need the kernel sources for the kernel you are using. One could argue that if you have a well built kernel and don't plan to change it in the future, you could remove its

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:05:30 -0700, Kyle Bader wrote: I'd certainly argue that. A single set of sources can take up more than half a gigabyte after compilation. If you use make install to install the kernel, it puts a backup of the config in /boot automatically. It is also good to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:17:00 -0700, Bill Longman wrote: I agree with Grant and others. XFCE is the other WM on my machines. On my old PIII with 256MB RAM, it's really the only option. KDE for the ones with the power, but that's far from light. I really like LXDE now, I use it on my netbook.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:38 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: hello, Well, there are lots of local sales on laptops. It's been a few years and much has changed (that I'm not up on with boot CDs). Naturally, I'd like gentoo/kde on a boot cd, but then there are different images for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Longman
On 06/30/2010 09:20 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:17:00 -0700, Bill Longman wrote: I agree with Grant and others. XFCE is the other WM on my machines. On my old PIII with 256MB RAM, it's really the only option. KDE for the ones with the power, but that's far from light.

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Arttu V.
On 6/30/10, Shoka sh...@gmx.ch wrote: Hello group, I'm trying to build kind of a minimal gentoo setup with X support. All I need is - X11 and a Window Manager - Mozilla Firefox - Lighttpd I use Gnome at this time. du reports the following directories as the biggest directories on my

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 30.06.2010 18:25, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:38 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: hello, Well, there are lots of local sales on laptops. It's been a few years and much has changed (that I'm not up on with boot CDs). Naturally, I'd like gentoo/kde on a boot

[gentoo-user] Re: CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread James
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes: Download the amd64 gentoo 10.1 LiveDVD from: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml I'm going to burn 10.1 and some other linux distros and go shoppin thx, James

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Longman
On 06/30/2010 09:44 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: You forget about Intel Atoms which are still partly i686 flavored. Of course, this point is mostly mood because these systems don't usually come with an optical drive. What do you mean here, Florian? The Atom can do either 32 or 64 bits. I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 30.06.2010 19:26, schrieb Bill Longman: On 06/30/2010 09:44 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: You forget about Intel Atoms which are still partly i686 flavored. Of course, this point is mostly mood because these systems don't usually come with an optical drive. What do you mean here, Florian?

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Am 30.06.2010 18:25, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:38 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: hello, Well, there are lots of local sales on laptops. It's been a few years and much has

[gentoo-user] Re: Patch via perl script in an ebuild?

2010-06-30 Thread Grant
I need to install the google-api-adwords-perl library, and it requires that SOAP-WSDL is patched with the soap_wsdl_patches.pl perl script. Can I have SOAP-WSDL patched via the perl script in an ebuild? - Grant Here is the perl script: http://pastebin.com/YM3G5sKn Can anyone with perl and

Re: [gentoo-user] CD for testing laptops

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Longman
On 06/30/2010 10:57 AM, Florian Philipp wrote: What do you mean here, Florian? The Atom can do either 32 or 64 bits. I don't understand what you mean by partly i686. Quick lookup on Wikipedia for Intel64 instruction set support: Atom Z6xx Lincroft aka Moorestown: no support Atom Z5xx

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 29 June 2010 22:56:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Seems like the horrendous screw-up that was the libpng-1.4 update never got fixed properly and is hitting stable users now. Flameeyes, in his usual in-your-face style, has documented what needs to be done:

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Bill Longman
On 06/30/2010 02:17 PM, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 29 June 2010 22:56:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Seems like the horrendous screw-up that was the libpng-1.4 update never got fixed properly and is hitting stable users now. Flameeyes, in his usual in-your-face style, has documented what needs to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 23:17:28 Mick wrote: On Tuesday 29 June 2010 22:56:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Seems like the horrendous screw-up that was the libpng-1.4 update never got fixed properly and is hitting stable users now. Flameeyes, in his usual in-your-face style, has documented what

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Jake Moe
On 01/07/10 00:52, Crístian Viana wrote: What do you mean by reducing to one source tree? inside /usr/src, there may be more than one subdirectory, one for each kernel version you've ever had. you can purge the older kernel directories, just rm -rf on them. do not delete your current

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 22:52:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 30 June 2010 23:17:28 Mick wrote: On Tuesday 29 June 2010 22:56:56 Alan McKinnon wrote: Seems like the horrendous screw-up that was the libpng-1.4 update never got fixed properly and is hitting stable users now.

Re: [gentoo-user] -march=native

2010-06-30 Thread Beau Henderson
On 07/01/10 00:30, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Beau Hendersonb...@thehenderson.com wrote: On 06/30/10 08:07, Paul Hartman wrote: 2010/6/29 Hasan SAHINhasan.sa...@gmx.com: Hello all, I am using Athlon64 X2 processor with the CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O2 -pipe

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 01 July 2010 00:15:34 Mick wrote: I remember now what I eventually did to fix all my libpng problems back then: unmerge libpng delete everything left with libpng in it's name emerge -pvuND world just to see what was now busted same with revdep-rebuild re-emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:52:13 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: This is called the throw shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks method of updating systems. By happy good fortune, it worked out for me. I posted a script/one-liner I used to fix this at the time it hit stable, which fixed the

[gentoo-user] Can we please get a USB-stick install boot image?

2010-06-30 Thread waltdnes
I don't know if this is the proper list to post this request to. I've been using linux for a dozen years, and am capable of reading and following instructions. But, after a lot of dicking around, I still haven't been able to modify a CD boot image get Gentoo to boot from a USB stick. For my

Re: [gentoo-user] Can we please get a USB-stick install boot image?

2010-06-30 Thread Crístian Viana
use UNetbootin (http://unetbootin.sf.net) to create a bootable USB stick.

Re: [gentoo-user] Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 22:30:27 Bill Longman wrote: If you're really paranoid, you'll recompile all libpng's dependencies No, that's not Really paranoid; Really paranoid is embarking on an emerge -e world. And a lot of people have done just that. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter

[gentoo-user] Flash stopped working after Firefox 3.6.3-3.6.4 update.

2010-06-30 Thread Grant Edwards
Firefox got upgraded from 3.6.3 to 3.6.4 yesterday, and now the flash plugin won't work. I tried both x86 and ~x86 versions, and both crash 100% of the time. Never had a problem with Flash before this. Is there a version of flash player that works with FF 3.6.4? -- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Can we please get a USB-stick install boot image?

2010-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:52:09 -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: There are quite a few machines without CD drives being sold today, but none that I'm aware of that won't boot from a USB stick. I believe that USB-stick images, rather than CD images, should be the default distributed boot

OT: Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 17:18:48 Neil Bothwick wrote: Normal people believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet. No, that's only software engineers. Real engineers would have no truck with it. -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Patch via perl script in an ebuild?

2010-06-30 Thread Arttu V.
Grant wrote:Grant wrote: I need to install the google-api-adwords-perl library, and it requires that SOAP-WSDL is patched with the soap_wsdl_patches.pl perl script. Can I have SOAP-WSDL patched via the perl script in an ebuild? - Grant Here is the perl script:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Minimal Gentoo with X

2010-06-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 30 June 2010 16:01:21 James wrote: caveat emptor... That's not a very helpful comment on this list, where we all try to help one another. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Can we please get a USB-stick install boot image?

2010-06-30 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 06:52:09PM -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I don't know if this is the proper list to post this request to. I've been using linux for a dozen years, and am capable of reading and following instructions. But, after a lot of dicking around, I still haven't been

[gentoo-user] Re: Stable users: libpng-1.4

2010-06-30 Thread walt
On 06/30/2010 02:52 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: aka the dark underside of source-based systems :-) Anyone who uses gentoo had better get an erotic thrill out of filing bug reports, or better yet, a patch that makes into portage, or more erotic still, a patch that makes it into upstream. I'm now