Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I currently have gnumeric and AbiWord and libreoffice-bin running uncer icewm. In order to get

Re: [gentoo-user] Wierd key bindings in Firefox

2011-05-25 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Renat. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:32:25PM +0200, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2011 21:17:14 + Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Gentoo. In Firefox 3.6.17, I would expect Page up/down to scroll ~a page up / down, and for up/down arrow to scroll a small number of lines

Re: [gentoo-user] pf-sources Kernel

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
James writes: Anyone running pf-sources? AMD64? Yes! Since two hours after I read your posting, never heard before of pf- sources or BFS before. And they run great! My system was somewhat unresponsive, especially when things like emerges were going on, video playback was stuttering,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight ship on my machine. I currently have gnumeric and

[gentoo-user] Re: pf-sources Kernel

2011-05-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 05/25/2011 03:12 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: [...] Now I have 8G, and do not notice that much swapping any more. Although... right now, swap is at 600M, and the system is swapping right now. Weird. I'm running rdiff- backup, this seems to increase swap size. Maybe too much of the stuff it

[gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird bug?

2011-05-25 Thread James
Jeremy McSpadden deface at uberpenguin.net writes: Make sure your client is set to auth before sending. Simple fix. Been down that road can had conversations with ISP admins. That's not the issue. The same email address works, if I cut and past it into the To field of thunderbird. All other

Swap performance (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: pf-sources Kernel)

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Nikos Chantziaras writes: On 05/25/2011 03:12 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: [...] Now I have 8G, and do not notice that much swapping any more. Although... right now, swap is at 600M, and the system is swapping right now. Weird. I'm running rdiff- backup, this seems to increase swap size.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so bad. ;) I think much of that list are from Qt4 and its

[gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Hi there! I still wonder why my KDE4 system starts swapping so early. Until a week ago, I had 6G of RAM, but after a day of being logged in, I usually had some swap usage. Sometimes this goes up to 1.5G, this is when the system becomes way too slow and I log out. Normally I don't mind having

Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+C not working over ssh?

2011-05-25 Thread Todd Goodman
* Andy Wilkinson drukar...@gmail.com [110524 18:02]: On 05/24/2011 12:38 PM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Andy Wilkinsondrukar...@gmail.com [110524 12:24]: I can't say for sure when this started, as I have gone a while without accessing my computer remotely much, but perhaps since my last upgrade

[gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
Hello, I am interested in usb support within virtualbox guests. The version I am currently using does not offer it: virtualbox-3.2.12-r4 would the bin package virtualbox-bin- 3.2.12-r1 has it? Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus non-bin packages? Thanks, --

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:26 -0400, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus non-bin packages? Yes. -- Neil Bothwick We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am interested in usb support within virtualbox guests. The version I am currently using does not offer it:   virtualbox-3.2.12-r4 would the bin package  virtualbox-bin- 3.2.12-r1 has it?  Is the usb

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011 10:53:26 -0400, Valmor de Almeida wrote: Is the usb support the main difference between the bin versus non-bin packages? Yes. -- Neil Bothwick We can't solve problems by using the same kind of

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Hi there! I still wonder why my KDE4 system starts swapping so early. Until a week ago, I had 6G of RAM, but after a day of being logged in, I usually had some swap usage. Sometimes this goes up to 1.5G, this is when

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? If he was already using Qt4, it might not have seemed so

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Valmor,   Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads HTH, Mark Mark, I

[gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Hartmut Figge
Indi: Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light systems). If i will try knode, i get this result: Total: 69 packages (65 new, 2 in new slots,

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:20 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Alex Schuster did opine thusly: Oh, even weirder: The phone just rang, and five minutes later, swap has gone to 860M. I was running rdiff-backup --list-increment-sizes, maybe this uses much memory, and caches the stuff. Now the

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote: So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of that being free RAM. I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate started around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the average transfer rate is 550K/s.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I used to use a few k apps in the 3 days, they were small and easily integrated into the system. Now kde is

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote: When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition with ~500M in-use takes about 2 or 3 minutes at most with the data being swapped slowly into the SD card.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 06:40:01PM +0200, Hartmut Figge wrote: Indi: Last I tried it, you can't run much of that stuff without the whole kdeinit thing, which is a giant resource hog (relatively speaking, for those of us accustomed to running trim, fast, light systems). If i will try

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:00:03AM +0200, Walter Dnes wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:31:40PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote No, I think you need to get real. It's 2011, what did you expect? Here's what I don't expect. I run a tight

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - because they reuse code. kmail does not have its own html engine.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:20:01PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience that makes most of the other OLD FARTs on this list look like noobs.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Indi
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:10:01PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:46 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: For people already running kde it's ok, but for the rest of us it's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? I used to use a few k apps in the 3

Re: [gentoo-user] e17 fails to build from svn

2011-05-25 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:51:25 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:31:54 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 21:34 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: Anyway, tonight it failed right on the first package:

[gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Guedon
Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ? What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ... -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf clé publique gpg

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote: When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition with ~500M in-use

[gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Harry Putnam
There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do this problem. Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have connected by way of DHCP. For example: Several wireless connections. I've used static IPS for around 10 yrs, always seemed handier for things like ssh

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Guedon
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 21:45:07 Harry Putnam wrote: There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do this problem. Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have connected by way of DHCP. For example: Several wireless connections. I've used static IPS

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2011-05-25, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do this problem. Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have connected by way of DHCP. For example: Several wireless connections. I've used static IPs

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ? What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ... They are both very mature and stable and should be able to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:53 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote: So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of that being free RAM. I monitored with iotop, and the

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:58 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Wednesday 25 May 2011 10:31:19 Paul Hartman wrote: When I move the swap to a slow SD card instead (2MB/sec transfer rate), even in that slow device, swapoff on the eMMC swap partition

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 19:13 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: Oh - and you should spend some time on Alan's postings. He is not only a certified OLD FART, he has some serious first hand, real world experience that makes most of the other OLD FARTs on

Re: [gentoo-user] e17 fails to build from svn

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 21:01 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:51:25 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 18 May 2011 21:31:54 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 21:34 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, Mick did opine thusly:

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:07 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ? What do you think of them ?

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Vincent-Xavier JUMEL
Le 25 mai à 21:54 Stéphane Guedon a écrit On Wednesday 25 May 2011 21:45:07 Harry Putnam wrote: There must be a number of people who post here that have had to do this problem. Discover the addresses of computers on a home network that have connected by way of DHCP. For example:

[gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
Hello, I have eliminated hal long ago and noted recently in my group list that I have a haldaemon group haldaemon:x:104:haldaemon and a user haldaemon:x:102:104:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or something

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Harry Putnam
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes: [...] But when you do it that way, and say want to VNC or ssh or the like to something connected by a dhcp serving WAP then how do you find the address? The best thing to do is to use a DHCP server and DNS server that are connected somehow.

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Guedon
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:07:15 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice / OpenOffice / Calligra recently ? What do you think of them ? Which is stable / not yet fully finish ? ...

Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:37 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Valmor de Almeida did opine thusly: Hello, I have eliminated hal long ago and noted recently in my group list that I have a haldaemon group haldaemon:x:104:haldaemon and a user haldaemon:x:102:104:added by portage

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Stéphane Guedon
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:20:00 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:07 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Paul Hartman did opine thusly: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice /

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Alan McKinnon writes: That reminds me of how SSDs ought to be much faster than hard disks. But every time I use my Acer netbook (8G SSD) I curse and swear and commit random acts of violence - that first gen SSD controller is the worst possible thing to ever hit computers. I swear the 4G

Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote: Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or something else still needs it? I think you should do it by hand. In general, you can assume portage will never delete any config files or anything

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Openoffice is heavy whereas I think calligra light, thus, easier to update, but is calligra solid enough ? KOffice is more than 10 years old, I think it is solid by now. :) (Calligra = new name for KOffice,

Re: [gentoo-user] office softs

2011-05-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:28 on Wednesday 25 May 2011, Stéphane Guedon did opine thusly: On Wednesday 25 May 2011 22:07:15 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stéphane Guedon steph...@22decembre.eu wrote: Hello Some of you tried both LibreOffice /

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 May 2011 22:11:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: But many days Neil and Paul can make me look like a blithering idiot :-) Only with your help :P -- Neil Bothwick Why do programmers get Halloween and Christmas confused? Because oct 31 is the same as dec 25. signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] network discovery tools

2011-05-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 25 May 2011 14:45:07 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there some quick and sure way to discover any IPs on the home lan? Some kind of mapper tool? Do you know the MAC address of the device? That's usually written on the box somewhere, so you can usually examine the output of arp -n to

Re: [gentoo-user] Display indirect login X app here?

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2011 10:50:49 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Is $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set? Without it you will get errors like this. I have this in my .zshrc to set it on SSH logins. [[ -n ${SSH_TTY} ]] export

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 05/25/2011 12:15 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Valmor, Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what you need. It does seem to be in portage but I've not used it myself.

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/25/2011 12:15 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Valmor,   Take a look at the Extension Pack. It might give you more of what you

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Volker Armin Hemmann writes: On Wednesday 25 May 2011 16:20:58 Alex Schuster wrote: So, 27 minutes to put 885MB of swap back into RAM, with the double amount of that being free RAM. I monitored with iotop, and the transfer rate started around 60-100 K/s, later it went higher. But the

Re: [gentoo-user] Swap performance

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Paul Hartman writes: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: I can't remember the last time my swap was used at all. I have 12G of RAM, but in my prior system with 8G it was the same. Only in a rare case when some program had run-away memory usage/memory

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird bug?

2011-05-25 Thread Adam Carter
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:18 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Jeremy McSpadden deface at uberpenguin.net writes: Make sure your client is set to auth before sending. Simple fix. Been down that road can had conversations with ISP admins. That's not the issue. The same email

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Schuster
Volker Armin Hemmann writes: This gem is a couple of years old, but still a worthy read: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html Read it. Seriously. Interesting. I'd like to also see KDE4 values :) BTW, according to the author, the only real memory usage information

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 05/25/2011 06:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] For the record. Tried and it is very nice. The 4.0.6 version with extpack uses the GPL vbox (source). All usb devices on the gentoo host are visible on a Windows7 guest. The problem I am facing now is that the Windows7 virtual machine tries

Re: [gentoo-user] Ctrl+C not working over ssh?

2011-05-25 Thread Andy Wilkinson
On 05/25/2011 07:08 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Andy Wilkinson drukar...@gmail.com [110524 18:02]: On 05/24/2011 12:38 PM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Andy Wilkinsondrukar...@gmail.com [110524 12:24]: I can't say for sure when this started, as I have gone a while without accessing my computer

Re: [gentoo-user] haldaemon group/user

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 05/25/2011 04:46 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Valmor de Almeida val.gen...@gmail.com wrote: Should these have been eliminated or do I need to do it by hand or something else still needs it? I think you should do it by hand. In general, you can assume

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [HEADSUP] libreoffice versus bison-2.5

2011-05-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:13:41PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote On Wednesday 25 May 2011 08:46:48 Indi wrote: and have you ever heard of 'code reuse' or 'modularity'? It seems - no. Because KDE itself might be huge. But once loaded the apps are pretty small - because they reuse

Re: [gentoo-user] usb support in virtualbox

2011-05-25 Thread Valmor de Almeida
On 05/25/2011 07:45 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: On 05/25/2011 06:14 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] For the record. Tried and it is very nice. The 4.0.6 version with extpack uses the GPL vbox (source). All usb devices on the gentoo host are visible on a Windows7 guest. The problem I am